Are Killing Horizon and Stationary Limit Surface the same?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of Killing horizons and stationary limit surfaces in the context of black holes, particularly focusing on their definitions, differences, and implications in spacetime geometry. Participants explore theoretical aspects and physical interpretations related to these surfaces in the framework of general relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a Killing horizon is defined as the hypersurface where a timelike Killing vector field (KVF) becomes null, while a stationary limit surface shares this property.
  • Others argue that in the case of a Kerr black hole, the ergosphere lies between a static limit surface and a Killing surface, suggesting a distinction between these concepts.
  • A participant clarifies that for a Kerr black hole, the difference between the two surfaces lies in which KVF becomes null at each surface, with the KVF ##\partial_t## being null at the stationary limit and ##\partial_t + \Omega \partial_\phi## at the event horizon.
  • Some participants question the physical implications of a KVF being null and the motivation for distinguishing between Killing horizons, stationary limit surfaces, and event horizons.
  • One participant explains that the concept of a Killing horizon is more general, encompassing various specific types of horizons, and emphasizes the importance of understanding the particular KVFs associated with each type.
  • There is a discussion about the intuitive understanding of Killing horizons, with examples provided from Schwarzschild and Kerr spacetimes to illustrate the properties of KVFs in relation to observers' worldlines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether Killing horizons and stationary limit surfaces are the same or distinct concepts, with no consensus reached on their equivalence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications and interpretations of these surfaces.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for clarity on definitions and the specific conditions under which different KVFs are considered. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating these concepts to physical interpretations without reaching definitive conclusions.

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George Jones said:
Yes, v is a vector field that is null on a timelike surface!

Let's consolidate two points made in the last few posts.

1) Even though a Killing horizon is null, a Killing horizon is not necessarily an event horizon. This is illustrated by the example given by martinbn, and by the example on page 245 of Carroll.

2) If a hypersurface is defined by a vector field being null, the hypersurface itself does not have to be null! This true for the vector field v cooked up by me above, and it is true for Killing vector field ##\partial_t## of Kerr spacetime. The stationary limit for Kerr is defined by ##\partial_t## being null, but this hypersurface is actually timilike! Consequently, the stationary limit is not a Killing horizon. On page 244, Carroll state this:

"In Kerr, the hypersurface on which ##\partial_t## becomes null is actually timelike, so is not a Killing horizon."
Thank you. Now I know stationary limit surface is not a killing horizon and verified the definition of a killing horizon thanks to you(have learned it doesn't have to be an event horizon). But now I am trying to understand, why is "killing horizon" so important? Beside being an event horizon in some metrics what does it mean geometrically(or physically or intuitively). Or was it killing horizon to mean "once crossed it is impossible to return" thing since beginning and when we move avay from Schwarzschild metric, begin to analyze Kerr metric, these notations have became different and this statement have not been true for event horizon? Did I get it right?
 

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