Are Mail Order Chicken Pox Lollipops a Safe Alternative for Immunization?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the safety and implications of using mail-order chicken pox lollipops as an alternative to vaccination. Participants explore the concept of "natural immunity" through deliberate exposure to the virus, comparing it to traditional vaccination methods and considering the legality and health risks involved.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over the safety and legality of using lollipops licked by infected children to create immunity, citing warnings from health authorities.
  • Others suggest that the practice reflects a misguided approach to immunization, linking it to broader anti-vaccine sentiments.
  • A few participants argue that childhood chicken pox is generally not dangerous, referencing practices in other countries where vaccination is not routine.
  • Some participants draw parallels between the lollipop scheme and "pox parties," where parents intentionally expose their children to chicken pox to build immunity.
  • There is a suggestion that if vaccines were unavailable, some might find the lollipop approach somewhat sympathetic, although it is generally viewed as backward.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential risks associated with the practice, including the legality and the implications for public health.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the safety and rationale behind using chicken pox lollipops as an alternative to vaccination. Some agree on the risks involved, while others question the necessity of vaccination in certain contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference varying practices and policies regarding chicken pox vaccination in different countries, highlighting differences in public health approaches. There is also uncertainty about the survival of the virus on lollipops and the implications of exposure to chicken pox in childhood versus adulthood.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to parents considering vaccination options, public health officials examining immunization strategies, and individuals curious about alternative approaches to disease prevention.

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This is crazy, people would rather risk giving their children chicken pox than a vaccine. This all stems from that bogus vaccine causes autism garbage.

And now people would actually buy dirty lolipops?

Authorities and doctors are warning parents who want to avoid chicken pox vaccines for their children that a new mail-order scheme to share lollipops licked by children infected with the disease as a way to create immunity in their kids is not only unsafe but illegal.
“Can you imagine getting a package in the mail from this complete stranger that you know from Facebook because you joined a group, and say here, drink this purported spit from some other kid?” U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee Jerry Martin told The Associated Press.

News reports from Phoenix’s KPHO-TV and Nashville’s WSMV-TV this week looked into groups forming on social media sites like Facebook that offer ways to get “natural immunity” from chicken pox by deliberately exposing children to the disease.

http://news.yahoo.com/parents-warned-mail-order-chicken-pox-lollipops-194620241.html
 
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So dumb people have found a new way to remove themselves from the gene pool. What's bad about that? :approve:

(Chicken pox doesn't kill many people, but IIRC one of its side-effects is sterlity.)
 
AlephZero said:
So dumb people have found a new way to remove themselves from the gene pool. What's bad about that? :approve:

(Chicken pox doesn't kill many people, but IIRC one of its side-effects is sterlity.)

Loss of gene pool diversity is bad too. Consider hybrid vigour and inbreeding:)
 
May I ask if instead there was an outbreak of smallpox and a ready supply of lollipops licked by milkmaids infected with cowpox was avaliable, would you lick one? No, not the milkmaid. I mean the lollipop.

Actually, I don't think the virus would survive on a lollipop but I'm not sure so would lick it up in desperation anyway.
 
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jackmell said:
May I ask if instead there was an outbreak of smallpox and a ready supply of lollipops licked by milkmaids infected with cowpox was avaliable, would you lick one? No, not the milkmaid. I mean the lollipop.

Actually, I don't think the virus would survive on a lollipop but I'm not sure so would lick it up in desperation anyway.
I would get a smallpox vaccination and not risk it.
 
Evo said:
I would get a smallpox vaccination and not risk it.

Can you imagine getting a package in the mail from this complete stranger that you know from ...

Just sayin.

Seriously. Wouldn't this be something that Homeland Security would want to look into?
 
Seems the lollipop thing is similar to a "pox party" where parents would intentially infect their children with the virus because the virus is less virulent in children than adults. So they're not looking to immunize their children with the lollipop but rather infect them (and by so doing obtain immunity from future exposures) so that they won't be succeptable to it later when it can cause more problems.

Surely it's better to get a vaccine but if none were available, I'm a little sympathetic to this approach.
 
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jackmell said:
Surely it's better to get a vaccine but if none were available, I'm a little sympathetic to this approach.

That's not the case anywhere in the US, as far as I know.
 
I totally agree that the lollipop idea is really backward. On the other hand, childhood chicken pox is not dangerous right? In the Netherlands it is not part of the vaccine program and about 90% of children get the disease at a young age, only adults that haven't had the disease as a child are vaccinated when there is a special indication like chemotherapy treatment.

The US does vaccinate on a large scale, I wonder whether the cost of the vaccination program outweighs the benefit?