Are Newer Textbooks More Like Magazines than Educational Tools?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around perceptions of newer mathematics and physics textbooks compared to older editions, with a focus on their presentation style and content. Participants express opinions on whether modern textbooks resemble magazines more than traditional educational tools, highlighting issues such as excessive fluff and colorful imagery.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants feel that newer textbooks contain excessive fluff and colorful images, making it difficult to find substantive content.
  • Others argue that while newer texts may be visually appealing, they lack the depth and straightforwardness of older textbooks, particularly in physics.
  • One participant expresses nostalgia for older textbooks, appreciating their monochromatic presentation and focus on equations without modern embellishments.
  • Concerns are raised about the influence of politics on textbook selection and content, with some participants suggesting that this trend could extend to mathematics education.
  • There is a mention of a specific instance where a course uses a textbook written by a faculty member, implying potential biases in textbook recommendations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express dissatisfaction with the presentation of newer textbooks, but there is no consensus on whether this is a universal issue across all subjects or if it varies by discipline. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of politics on textbook content.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference personal experiences with textbooks from different eras, indicating a subjective view of what constitutes effective educational material. There is an acknowledgment of varying standards in textbook presentation across different educational levels.

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I'm 38 and I just became reinterested in math as a hobby. I've bought a few textbooks on Ebay to catch up the things I learned 20+ years ago in High School, and I'm just floored by the new texts.

Is it just me, or is reading a textbook that's recently published feel like you're reading a super-PC version of People Magazine? (Sometimes, it takes awhile just to find the content through all the fluff.)

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I prefer US Weekly myself.

I think the same can be said of mags like Newsweek and Time. It's about the colorful pictures now.

But once you get past high school or even some freshman year college textbooks - things are as dull in presentation as ever - at least in physics.
 
Tell me about it.

Examples and junk all over the place.
 
Examples?... ah... yes, I remember textbooks that have examples in them, I miss them. Oh well I guess. And yes, as juvenal has already said, textbooks in physics are as bland as they have always been in physics and I am guessing the same in other subjects.
Cheers and good luck in the textbook search.
 
Well at least your not being told which books to buy based on some sort of school politics or based on which books your Professor has written and needs to sell.
 
juvenal said:
I prefer US Weekly myself.

I think the same can be said of mags like Newsweek and Time. It's about the colorful pictures now.

But once you get past high school or even some freshman year college textbooks - things are as dull in presentation as ever - at least in physics.

Thank God. When I went looking for a Trig book, I made sure to get one published in the '80s. Nice and monochromatic. No social history worked in. No pictures from movies to keep in fun. Just boring old equations and math in their pristine, undisturbed beauty.

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ptex said:
Well at least your not being told which books to buy based on some sort of school politics or based on which books your Professor has written and needs to sell.

Don't even get me started. It's obscene enough to rewrite history books to fit the current political cause celebre. When they start doing it to math books, then I have to call my lawyer; cus dat's jus wrong, biatch!

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The Rev said:
Don't even get me started. It's obscene enough to rewrite history books to fit the current political cause celebre. When they start doing it to math books, then I have to call my lawyer; cus dat's jus wrong, biatch!

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The Rev

I thought you were 38?
 
I am. I'm just getting back into math as a hobby. (Don't let my use of the word "biatch" throw you off :-p ).

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ptex said:
Well at least your not being told which books to buy based on some sort of school politics or based on which books your Professor has written and needs to sell.


Hehe, our entire first year course uses the book written by one of our faculty.
 

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