Are Pop III Stars Finally Detected in I Zw 18?

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The discussion centers on the potential detection of Population III stars in the galaxy I Zw 18, exploring the implications of their characteristics and the significance of their formation in the early universe. The scope includes theoretical considerations, observational evidence, and the nature of these primordial stars.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper claiming evidence for Population III stars in I Zw 18, highlighting their characteristics such as low metallicity and absence of elements heavier than hydrogen and helium.
  • It is noted that the stars in question are extremely hot, emitting recombination UV light from doubly ionized helium, suggesting high temperatures necessary for such ionization.
  • Participants discuss the absence of stellar winds in these stars, attributing this to their youth and the lack of heavier elements in their atmospheres, which is a characteristic of Population III stars.
  • There is a suggestion that while these stars are analogous to the first stars formed, they may not be the actual first Population III stars, as they are located in a galaxy that is still actively forming stars.
  • Some participants express excitement about the proximity of I Zw 18, noting that its distance makes it a good candidate for further investigation of these types of stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the significance of the findings regarding Population III stars, but there is uncertainty about whether the stars in I Zw 18 are indeed the first of their kind or merely similar types. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these findings.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the characteristics of Population III stars and the implications of their detection in I Zw 18. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or observational details necessary to fully understand the claims made in the referenced paper.

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This paper; http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.02742, Population III Stars in I Zw 18, claims potentially conclusive evidence of detection of pop III stars.
 
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Thanks for sharing, Chronos! I'm looking forward to hearing more about this.
 
That's interesting. These are, perhaps, the first stars formed.
They are distinguished by very low "metal" (absence of elements heavier than H and He)

The authors found stars so hot that their light contained the recombination UV from doubly ionized Helium.
Takes very high temperature to get both electrons off a helium atom.

And apparently these very hot bright massive stars did not show evidence of WIND.
Stellar wind is caused by radiation pressure of star's light on heavier elements ("metals") like Oxygen and Carbon.

So these stars were so young that they had not made metals, and they were so early that the galaxy they formed in did not have metals made by earlier stars. These were pristine first-type stars. So-called PopIII

The windlessness seems to have been the clincher---the fact that here were these extremely hot intense stars whose ATMOSPHERES apparently contained only H and He.

Really interesting paper! Thanks for sharing.
 
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marcus said:
That's interesting. These are, perhaps, the first stars formed.
They are distinguished by very low "metal" (absence of elements heavier than H and He)

The same kind of stars that were the first stars formed, surely. My understanding of Zw 18 is that it's still a very active star forming galaxy, and in any case, the first pop III stars will be long gone, even in a galaxy 18 Mpc away.

But hey, a good analogy is fantastic.
 
Good point 18 x 3.26 is only 59 million LY. This is relatively near, these stars are practically our contemporaries . But they are the same TYPE as the first stars----analogous to them as you say.
 
marcus said:
Good point 18 x 3.26 is only 59 million LY. This is relatively near, these stars are practically our contemporaries . But they are the same TYPE as the first stars----analogous to them as you say.

Right! And being basically on our doorstep, they are good candidates for investigation too!
 

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