Are Principal Ideals of Associates Equal?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of principal ideals in the context of a field K and polynomials in K[X]. Participants are examining whether the principal ideals generated by two non-constant polynomials that are associates are equal.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if f and h are associates in K[X], then (f) = (h) follows from the definition of associates, where f = ch for some unit c.
  • Another participant agrees that the equality (f) = {fg : g in K[X]} = {hcg : g in K[X]} indicates that any element in the ideal generated by f is also in the ideal generated by h.
  • A participant questions whether the equality {hcg : g in K[X]} = {hq : q in K[X]} is correct, seeking clarification on the implications of the unit c.
  • Another participant confirms the intended reference to h and discusses the implications of the unit in the context of ideal containment.
  • A different perspective is introduced, stating that if a = bu where u is a unit, then both (a) and (b) are subsets of each other, leading to the conclusion that they are equal by double inclusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of certain equalities and implications regarding the ideals. No consensus is reached on the overall question of whether (f) = (h) is definitively true.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the properties of units and the implications of ideal containment. The discussion does not clarify all mathematical steps involved in the reasoning.

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I'm wondering something about principal ideals which I'm using to prove something.
K-field, let f,h be non-constant in K[X]. If f and h are associates, does it follow (f) = (h) ?
I tried to just prove it myself but I'm not sure if it's correct.
f, h associates means f=ch for some unit c. Then (f) = {fg : g in K[X]} = {hcg : g in K[X]}. Now I want to put " = (h) " but I'm not sure if that's correct. I think it is, because g runs over all of K[X], and cK[X] = K[X], so {hcg : g in K[X]} = {hq : q in K[X]}. So is my statement true?
 
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(f) = {fg : g in K[X]} = {hcg : g in K[X]} shows that any element in the ideal generated by f is in the ideal generated by g. Since c is a unit the converse is also true.
 
lavinia said:
(f) = {fg : g in K[X]} = {hcg : g in K[X]} shows that any element in the ideal generated by f is in the ideal generated by g. Since c is a unit the converse is also true.
Did you mean h?

Also, is the equality {hcg : g in K[X]} = {hq : q in K[X]} incorrect?
 
yes I meant h
 
a = bu, where u is a unit. also from this you get b = au^-1. obviously a is in (b), which means that (a) is a subset of (b), and b is in (a), so (b) is a subset of (a). by double inclusion, they are equal.
 

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