Are Sci-Fi Movies Accurate Depictions of Aliens?

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The discussion centers on the accuracy of alien depictions in science fiction movies, exploring the implications of physical characteristics, evolutionary processes, and the limitations of storytelling in representing extraterrestrial life. Participants examine whether aliens need to possess humanoid traits to develop technology and civilization, and how cinematic constraints influence these portrayals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that aliens depicted with claws and fangs may lack the dexterity required to operate advanced technology, suggesting that humanoid forms are more plausible for intelligent life.
  • Others counter that the body plan of an alien does not necessarily dictate its ability to manipulate technology, proposing that different evolutionary paths could lead to functional adaptations.
  • One participant notes that film makers often use human actors to portray aliens, which limits creativity in design and representation.
  • Another point raised is the role of literary license and audience identification, suggesting that the portrayal of aliens often reflects human characteristics to evoke emotional responses.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of convergent evolution, arguing that similar environmental challenges could lead to analogous features in alien species, despite differing evolutionary histories.
  • There is a contention regarding the necessity of fine motor skills for technological development, with some asserting that early technology can be created with less precision than typically required for human tasks.
  • Participants also reflect on specific films, questioning plot decisions and the rationale behind character actions, indicating a blend of narrative critique and speculative reasoning about alien capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the necessity of humanoid traits for intelligent life or the implications of physical form on technological advancement. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing perspectives on the nature of alien life and its representation in media.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about evolutionary processes, the impact of storytelling constraints on alien design, and the varying interpretations of technological development across species. The discussion highlights the complexity of defining intelligence and capability in non-human forms.

  • #31
profbuxton said:
(...)I cannot imagine that a claw equipped alien could fly a spacecraft or make a swiss watch. This would be the level of dexterity required and would not be possible given some of the aliens we see in scifi movies.

Hi there :)

Well, one cannot say that, because the instrumentation would be engineered to the specific phisical traits of the alien itself.
Species evolve in different ways, and as such, technology will follow.

Remember, "ants and a highway".
 
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  • #32
DaveC426913 said:
What's that? A book I haven't read?

In Niven and Pournelles Footfall , the Climbing fifthp is what the science fiction writers group ends up calling humanity. Climbing as in ascending, rising, etc.
 
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Another interesting take on aliens is having them related - distantly or otherwise - to human beings. Larry Niven is good at this too, one example being Protector. By casting the 'alien' Pak species as distant ancestors of modern humans, in this instance via Homo habilis, Niven sets up an intriguing (and completely convincing) backstory, as well as offering a mordant commentary on the predatory natures of our own species. I can't think of any examples of this kind of thing done on film, but there must be a fair number, I wouldn't mind betting.
 
  • #34
Dr Wu said:
Another interesting take on aliens is having them related - distantly or otherwise - to human beings. Larry Niven is good at this too, one example being Protector. By casting the 'alien' Pak species as distant ancestors of modern humans, in this instance via Homo habilis, Niven sets up an intriguing (and completely convincing) backstory, as well as offering a mordant commentary on the predatory natures of our own species. I can't think of any examples of this kind of thing done on film, but there must be a fair number, I wouldn't mind betting.
One thing that I've always had trouble with though, is the fact that Earth has produced a plethora of critters that are genetically almost identical to humans, yet started independently 3.5 billion years earlier. How can we be an alien race on a planet that is, genetically, our creche?

That's one aspect you just can't look at too closely or it all falls apart.
 
  • #35
DaveC426913 said:
One thing that I've always had trouble with though, is the fact that Earth has produced a plethora of critters that are genetically almost identical to humans, yet started independently 3.5 billion years earlier. How can we be an alien race on a planet that is, genetically, our creche?

Yes, I take your point, and I'm bound to say that I've never considered it until now. One instance where Protector gets it wrong concerning our common genetic inheritance is particularly telling. This occurs when one of the novel’s leading characters speculates whether Phssthpok (the novel’s by now-deceased Pak antagonist) would have gone on to deliberately infect the chimpanzees in the Congo with ‘tree-of-life’ — that’s to say, the plant-based virus which initiates the Pak into their final evolutionary stage: aka the ‘protector’ end-phase’ — a sort of living breathing proto-Terminator? The point here is that the split between chimps and the line that eventually lead to us humans occurred long before Homo habilis arrived on the scene. This inconsistency in turn prohibits any idea of H hablis possessing its own unique set of trans-Terran genes. Therein lies the problem.

As a side note: one possible workaround to explain away the restrictions implied by a local genetic inheritance would have been to introduce a Panspermian element into the story. Why not? After all, the only biology we presently know about is what exists down here on Earth. We have yet to discover a single alien bacterium, never mind a full-on spacefaring ET civilisation. Yes, of course, it’s hard to imagine any space-based biological flotsam, along with its delicate genetic coding, surviving the shooting gallery which is the interstellar medium. Still, in our present state of unknowingness-for-sure, this to my way of thinking is exactly where science fiction should step into the breach.

There’s not a whisper of any of this in Protector, of course.* So it can’t be used as a justification. All I can say in the novel’s defence is that it was (if memory serves me well) first published in shortened form back in 1967, and we’ve come a long way since then. Even so, for me at least, it still continues to punch above its weight. I especially enjoy the way it taps into our creation myths, theogonies, and the like, which here can range from Genesis to Olympus — an incessant War in Heaven waged by truculent and motivationally programmed gods, as it were.

I feel much the same way about other venerable SF novels: Out of the Silent Planet, for example. The most kindly thing that can be said about CS Lewis’s understanding on orbital mechanics is that it was, well, sketchy in the extreme, and that’s putting it mildly. But it’s still a cracking good read, full of interesting ideas about alien life (yes, okay) on Mars, and how, to cite one example, all three Martian races evolved to cope with the varying density levels contained in the planet’s tenuous atmosphere column.

So both novels, and many others like them, have their share of inconsistencies, for sure. It’s just that, depending on their content, I tend to take a more charitable view about them than some. Indeed, it’s possible to argue that these inconsistencies are often a sign of speculative fiction going out on a limb, and doing so productively. And if the writing is good and fulfils its brief, then that usually gets my vote.

Otherwise, I agree entirely.

* Actually, there just might be: Phssthpok recalling something about the fabled 'starseeds'? Or have I got the wrong book?
 
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