Are Some Atomic Orbitals From a 4D Wave Function?

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The discussion revolves around the visualization of atomic orbitals and wave functions, particularly in the context of representing these concepts in four-dimensional space. Participants explore the implications of dimensionality in wave functions, specifically in relation to the hydrogen atom and its eigenstates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that visualizing standing waves of electrons requires a four-dimensional plot of the wave function, indicating that the wavefunctions in the N=2 family exist in an abstract four-dimensional space.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of a "four-dimensional plot" and notes that the n=2 subspace of hydrogenic atoms has a dimensionality of 4 due to the degeneracy of its eigenstates.
  • A participant explains that to represent a three-dimensional function, such as the probability density |ψ(x,y,z)|², a four-dimensional representation is necessary, where the fourth dimension corresponds to the density at a point in three-dimensional space. They emphasize that this requirement is a general property of any three-dimensional function, not just wave functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the four-dimensional representation of wave functions, and there are differing views on the implications of dimensionality in visualizing atomic orbitals.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the dimensionality of wave functions and the visualization techniques required, but does not resolve these complexities.

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"To visualize the standing waves (or orbitals) of electrons bound to a positively charged nucleus in three dimensions, we will need a four-dimensional plot of the wave function vs. x, y, and z."
http://www.grandinetti.org/electron-orbital-shapes"The wavefunctions in the N=2 family are vectors in an abstract four-dimensional space. This can also be called a function-space and/or a Hilbert space." http://www.av8n.com/physics/wavefunctions.htm

So, what are those dimensions and wave functions? This must be fairly basic.
 
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I am not sure what the author means by "four-dimensional plot of the wave function vs. x, y, and z" in the first link. For the second link, the author has specifically considered the n=2 subspace of a hydrogenic atoms where the eigenstates are 4-fold degenerate (one in 2s and three in 2p), therefore the subspace of n=2 has a dimensionality of 4.
 
For the first link, it goes like this. If you want to represent a one-dimensional function f(x), you need to produce a two-dimensional plot. Likewise, a two-dimensional function f(x,y) will require a 3D plot. So to plot ##| \psi(x,y,z) |^2##, you would need to be in a 4D world, the 4th dimension representing the density at point (x,y,z). That's why you need other visualization techniques, such as shading. It has nothing to do with the wave function per se, but is true of any 3D function f(x,y,z).
 
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DrClaude said:
For the first link, it goes like this. If you want to represent a one-dimensional function f(x), you need to produce a two-dimensional plot. Likewise, a two-dimensional function f(x,y) will require a 3D plot. So to plot ##| \psi(x,y,z) |^2##, you would need to be in a 4D world, the 4th dimension representing the density at point (x,y,z). That's why you need other visualization techniques, such as shading. It has nothing to do with the wave function per se, but is true of any 3D function f(x,y,z).
Aha. Simple enough. Thanks!
 

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