Are the Irrationals and Product Spaces Non-Homeomorphic?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the space of irrationals (R-Q) and the product space (R-Q) x Q are homeomorphic. Participants explore concepts related to Baire spaces, completions, and the properties of these spaces in a topological context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the completions of the spaces in question are not homeomorphic, suggesting this might indicate a deeper issue.
  • Others argue that the completion is a metric concept, which may not apply directly to topological properties.
  • A participant mentions that (R-Q) can be embedded in R, while (R-Q) x Q cannot, raising questions about their homeomorphic relationship.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of defining a homeomorphism using continuous fractions, questioning its validity.
  • It is noted that (R-Q) x Q is not a Baire space, with a participant providing reasoning based on the concept of "slices."
  • One participant seeks clarification on the term "slices" and requests a link for proof regarding the Baire property.
  • A later reply explains that the sets (R-Q) x {q} for rational q form a countable collection of closed sets with nonempty interior, but their union covers the entire space, which contradicts the Baire property.
  • There is a correction regarding the interior of the sets, with a participant asserting that it is actually empty.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the homeomorphic relationship between the spaces, with no consensus reached. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives and unresolved questions regarding the properties of the spaces involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of Baire spaces and the properties of completions, which may not be universally applicable in this context. The discussion also highlights the complexity of the concepts involved, with some participants expressing uncertainty about specific terms and proofs.

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Why are the irrationals R-Q and the product space (R-Q)XQ not homeomorphic?
The first space i Baire space.may be the second space is not?
 
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Their completions aren't homeomorphic, I think that does the trick but maybe there's some weird counterexample
 
The completions of ##\mathbb{Q}## and ##\{x\in \mathbb{Q}~\vert~0<x<1\}## aren't homeomorphic either, even though the two spaces are homeomorphic. The problem is that completion is a metric concept and not a topological concept.

I think looking at Baire spaces is the way to go
 
hedipaldi said:
Why are the irrationals R-Q and the product space (R-Q)XQ not homeomorphic?
The first space i Baire space.may be the second space is not?

Well, how about from the perspective that R-Q can be embedded in R, but , at least that I can

tell, (R-Q)xQ cannot?
 
why not?
it seems that a homeomorphism actually can be defind by using continuous fractions.Isn't it?
 
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(R-Q)XQ isn't Baire. To prove that look at "slices".
 
what is "slices" ? can you give me a link for the proof?
Thank's a lot.
 
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Take the sets (R-Q)x{q} for rational q. This is a countable set of closed sets with nonempty interior but their union is the entire space. Hence, it isn't Baire.
 
You mean with EMPTY interior right?
 

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