Are there any dog breeds that can't mate with wolves any more?

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The discussion centers on the reproductive compatibility between dogs and wolves, exploring whether certain dog breeds may become incapable of mating with wolves in the future due to genetic divergence. Participants also examine the factors that contribute to reproductive compatibility, including genetic similarity and chromosome pairing.

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  • Some participants propose that it is possible for future dog breeds to diverge genetically from wolves to the point of being unable to mate.
  • Others argue that reproductive compatibility may depend on factors beyond just genetic similarity, such as chromosome pairing and the willingness to breed.
  • A participant mentions that while dogs and wolves belong to the same species (Canis lupus), there may be individual dog breeds, like chihuahuas, that could face challenges in mating with wolves.
  • Some contributions highlight that chromosome number differences, as seen in humans and chimps, can affect reproductive compatibility, but dogs and wolves share the same number of chromosomes.
  • There are anecdotal references to successful breeding between wolves and certain dog breeds, indicating that while challenges exist, interbreeding is possible.
  • A participant raises the issue of genetic compatibility in breeding, noting that even if insemination occurs, natural mating between vastly different breeds may be unlikely.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether certain dog breeds can no longer mate with wolves, and multiple competing views remain regarding the factors influencing reproductive compatibility.

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Limitations include the complexity of genetic factors influencing compatibility, the variability in breeding behaviors among dog breeds, and the potential for spontaneous abortion in breeding attempts, which complicates the understanding of reproductive success.

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Title says it all. If not, is it possible that in the future we will have a dog who's DNA is so different than their original ancestors, the wolves, that they wouldn't be able to mate with them?

Also, another related question. What does it take to be reproductively compatible? Does the DNA just have to be similar. The chimp's DNA is something like 1.6% different from humans, but that is too big of a difference to reproduce. Is there a maximum percent difference required in order to be sexually compatible?
 
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Jd0g33 said:
Title says it all.
I don't know.
If not, is it possible that in the future we will have a dog who's DNA is so different than their original ancestors, the wolves, that they wouldn't be able to mate with them?
That is possible.

Also, another related question. What does it take to be reproductively compatible? Does the DNA just have to be similar. The chimp's DNA is something like 1.6% different from humans, but that is too big of a difference to reproduce. Is there a maximum percent difference required in order to be sexually compatible?
There is no fixed number for the difference, some differences can have a huge effect and other differences can be irrelevant.
 
Well, I don't see why not, they do belong to the same species and the term species is generally defined as the largest group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. (wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species) But I am no expert and may be wrong...
 
A lot has to do with chromosome pairing. In the case of chimps they have 24 pairs while humans have 23, and if you look at the sequence data you can see evidence of an end-to-end fusion that joined two of the chimp chromosomes to make one human chromosome.

I imagine that there may already be dogs that can't breed with wolves, for example chihuahuas. But a chihuahua could mate with a Boston terrier, which could mate with a Staffordshire terrier, which could mate with a Samoyed, which could mate with a wolf. So the species barrier is not always a bright-line distinction.
 
Meiotic Drive said:
A lot has to do with chromosome pairing. In the case of chimps they have 24 pairs while humans have 23, and if you look at the sequence data you can see evidence of an end-to-end fusion that joined two of the chimp chromosomes to make one human chromosome.
They are the same species Canis lupus ie. same number of chromosomes.
I imagine that there may already be dogs that can't breed with wolves, for example chihuahuas.

I don't see why there would be a problem...as long as the chihuahua is the male and the wolf doesn't wolf down her mate. Wolves and poodles have already been successfully crossed.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm#toc4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog#Description
 
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I am certainly not an expert in canine biology. In plants, where the species barrier is a bit more fluid, when you do a wide cross you frequently can see spontaneous abortion at different points in the process of seed formation as the incompatibilities in the developmental genes cause the process to arrest. It's easy to detect because when you open the seedpod you see a shriveled seed, which you can then look at under a microscope to see how far along it got. With animals the spontaneous abortions get reabsorbed or sloughed off so much trickier to find. I just came across this which could be a similar phenomenon:

"These were dogs with family lines, where they routinely produce big litters, and yet when we tried to breed these fertile beagles to fertile setters, we got no pups at all, despite many attempts to do so, and then eventually, we were able to produce one litter with two pups in it. "

(from http://sciencenetlinks.com/science-news/science-updates/dog-breeds/ )
 
Enigman said:
They are the same species Canis lupus ie. same number of chromosomes.


I don't see why there would be a problem...as long as the chihuahua is the male and the wolf doesn't wolf down her mate. Wolves and poodles have already been successfully crossed.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm#toc4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfdog#Description[/QUOTE

I wonder what you would call it? Woodle? Polve?
 
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There are two major factors to consider here: genetic compatibility and willingness to breed. For example, while a Chihuahua's sperm could probably inseminate a wolf successfully, it's a rendezvous that would probably be unlikely to happen naturally.

Remember that genetically dogs are all closely related and also very similar to wolves.
 

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