Are there better methods for finding the average value of a function?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of finding the average value of a function, particularly in the context of calculus and statistics. Participants explore the limitations of the standard average value formula and inquire about alternative methods for calculating averages, especially for functions with uneven distributions of values.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the standard formula for the average value of a function and questions its effectiveness for functions with uneven distributions of values.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "average deviation from the average" as a way to characterize functions, mentioning variance and higher-order moments like skewness and kurtosis.
  • A different participant agrees that discussions about measuring averages are more suited for statistics and mentions the median and mode as alternative measures of central tendency.
  • One participant expresses interest in enrolling in statistics courses to learn more about these analyses and questions whether the average value is meaningful only for evenly distributed intervals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the standard arithmetic mean may not always represent the average value intuitively, especially in cases of skewed distributions. However, there is no consensus on the best alternative methods or the implications of using different averages.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of the average value formula may depend on the distribution of values within the interval, but specific conditions or limitations are not fully explored.

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Hey so I am in a second semester calculus class and we are learning about the average value of the function. We are presented the following formula:

(1/(b-a)) ∫a to b f(x) dx for a ≤ x ≤ b

This is basically doing (x1+...xn)/n, except for infinitely many numbers over the interval
[a -b]

Naturally we need to learn from some starting point, but in terms of averages of functions, this is where we end in the course.

Now for the question. Aren't there better formulas for functions that are not evenly distributed?

Say you were using this formula to get the average value of some function where most its values are some big big numbers, but the remaining minority of numbers are very tiny numbers, so much so that average value using the above method is brought to a value that is very misleading. Misleading as in you would never have guessed for example that an average value of 5 was produced by a function where let's say most of its values are in the thousands...and this happens because you have a small collection of very small numbers.

If I'm not making sense here just let me know haha. I'll try to explain it another way.

So are there other techniques of taking averages? Would these be in a statistics class?
 
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The next quantity you can define to characterize a function or data set would be something like "the average deviation from the average". The way you define it is as:

\frac{1}{b-a}\int_{a}^b f(x) (x - c) dx

where c is the average value of f(x), defined by your integral.

This expression is called the variance of the function f(x), and it's used very frequently in statistics.

You can go further and look at "average deviation from the average deviation" (skewness), and even higher order deviations (kurtosis). These things are called moments. If you know all the moments of a function (mean, variance, etc) you will be able to derive the function itself from these values.
 
I think you are right, a discussion of the best way to measure "the average value" in a particular situation belongs in a statistics class rather than pure math. the median and the mode are two other simple ones. Google for more information about them.

You are right that the arithmetic mean (or the integral version of it) doesn't necessarily agree with "common sense". For example, over 99.9% of humans have more than the average number of arrms and legs. There are so few surviving humans with more than two arms or legs that you can ignore them out of a total of 7 billion, but there are certainly people with fewer than two as the result of accidents, birth defects, etc. So the average number will be a bit less than 2.
 
I see, thanks! So I should enroll in statistics courses to learn about this sort of analysis? Topics in particular you can think of?

So the results of "the average of a function" stand alone really only when the interval in question is evenly distributed?
 

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