Are There Operators in Quantum Physics Without Eigenvalue Properties?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of operators in quantum physics that do not exhibit eigenvalue properties. Participants explore various types of operators, including the coordinate operator, creation and annihilation operators, and their associated eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about operators in quantum physics that lack eigenvalue properties, seeking examples.
  • One participant suggests that an invertible operator might not have eigenvalues, though they express uncertainty about such operators.
  • The coordinate operator for a free particle is proposed as an example of an operator that may not have traditional eigenvalues, with a discussion on its eigenvectors being delta functions.
  • Participants discuss non-Hermitian operators, like creation and annihilation operators, noting that while they may not have real eigenvalues, they could possess complex eigenvalues and eigenvectors.
  • One participant asserts that the annihilation operator has eigenvectors known as coherent states, while the creation operator does not have eigenvectors, leading to further exploration of these concepts.
  • There is a contention regarding the definitions of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with some participants arguing that the mathematical definitions may not align with quantum mechanical interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of eigenvalues and eigenvectors for various operators, particularly the coordinate, creation, and annihilation operators. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference definitions from external sources, indicating potential limitations in the understanding of eigenvalue properties in quantum mechanics. The discussion also touches on specific scenarios, such as electrons in a lattice, which may affect the interpretation of eigenvalues.

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I am new to quantum physics.
Is there is any operator in quantum physics that does not show eigenvalue property?
Give example please, thankx...
 
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An operator that has no eigenvalues you mean? Perhaps an operator which has a matrix representation that is invertible? I don't know what kind of things those operators would be...I'm also kind of fuzzy on this linear algebra. Suffice it to say, you don't see those often...
 
sancharsharma said:
I am new to quantum physics.
Is there is any operator in quantum physics that does not show eigenvalue property?
Give example please, thankx...

Yes, the simplest I can think of is the coordinate operator for a free particle.
 
bigubau said:
Yes, the simplest I can think of is the coordinate operator for a free particle.

Aren't the eigenvalues just the coordinate, and the eigenvectors just delta functions for this?

E.g. [tex]\hat{x}|x>=x|x>; <x'|x>=\delta(x'-x)[/tex]

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creation and annihilation operators?
 
Non-Hermitian operators, like the creation and annihilation operators, may not have real eigenvalues...but they may still have complex eigenvalues and eigenvectors, no?

Can you show that no such eigenvalues or eigenvectors exist?
 
The annihilation operator has eigenvectors, namely coherent states with an arbitrary complex number z as eigenvalue; they can be constructed rather easily by using

[tex]|z\rangle = \sum_{n=0}^\infty c_n|n\rangle[/tex]

and solving for the coefficients in

[tex]a|z\rangle = z|z\rangle[/tex]

Trying something similar with the creation operator fails which means that this operator has no eigenvectors.
 
yeh, annihilation and creation operator was a nice idea. thankx.

They are not eigenvalues, nor eigenvectors. See the definition on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenva...and_eigenspace
I think the definition given is pretty much mathematical than the quantum mechanics would require.
if we imagine a situation where say only a few positions are allowed (lets say the situation of an electron in a lattice where the probability of being at anywhere else except on anyone of the atoms is negligible), then in that case there is no doubt that the position operator does have eigenvalues as the locations of the atoms.
 
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