QM: I as an Observable & Its Eigenvectors & Eigenvalue

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the matrix I as a hermitian linear operator in quantum mechanics (QM), its representation as an observable, and the implications of its eigenvectors and eigenvalue. Participants explore the physical meaning of I, whether it can be considered a measurable property, and how it relates to state-vectors and measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the matrix I, which has all elements equal to 1, could represent a measurable property in QM, questioning what that property might be called.
  • Another participant clarifies the common notation of I, suggesting that it typically denotes the identity matrix, which has 1's on the diagonal and 0's elsewhere, and questions the implications of the matrix with all elements being 1.
  • A different participant notes that if the eigenvalues are 1, then any measurement would yield a result of 1, and discusses the conservation of this value across systems.
  • Another participant adds that the identity matrix represents the operation of "doing nothing," reinforcing the idea that it returns the same state multiplied by the eigenvalue of 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the matrix I, particularly regarding whether it is the identity matrix or a different matrix with all elements equal to 1. There is no consensus on the physical meaning of I as an observable or its implications in measurement.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the matrices discussed and the implications of their eigenvalues and eigenvectors. The discussion does not clarify the physical interpretation of the matrix I as an observable.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, particularly in understanding the role of hermitian operators and observables in the context of measurement theory.

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So, hermitian linear operators represent observables in QM. I (a matrix whose elements are all 1) is certainly a hermitian linear operator. Does this mean that I represent a measurable property? If so, what do we call that property? Identity? Moreover, for any state-vector A, A would be an eigenvector of I with the eigenvalue of 1. What does this all mean? What are the physical meaning of I as an observable (if it is) and its eigenvectors and the eigenvalue? How can we 'measure' I to get the value 1?
 
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Marrrrrrr said:
I (a matrix whose elements are all 1)

The symbol ##I## is usually used to denote the identity matrix (which has 1's all along the diagonal and 0's elsewhere). Is that what you meant? Or did you actually mean a matrix with every single element (off diagonal as well as on) 1?

I suspect you mean the identity matrix, since you say this:

Marrrrrrr said:
for any state-vector A, A would be an eigenvector of I with the eigenvalue of 1.

Which is true for the identity matrix, but false for a matrix with all elements 1.
 
Interesting question... so the eigenvalues are 1. That means the result of any measurement is 1. And 1 commutes with any Hamiltonian, so it is conserved in any system. The expectation value is also 1, so the average value of this observable is one.

So if you have a black box that, whenever you apply it to any system, it gives you back a 1. That is the measurement. Not a very interesting black box, I might add, since no matter what you do with it it gives you back the same result.
 
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Gene Naden said:
Not a very interesting black box, I might add, since no matter what you do with it it gives you back the same result.

Yes. The identity matrix is the mathematical description of the physical operation "do nothing at all". Which just gives you back whatever state you hand it, multiplied by the eigenvalue ##1##, i.e., the same state.
 

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