Are These Vectors Linearly Independent?

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear independence of three given vectors in a three-dimensional space. The vectors are a1 = (1; 2; 0), a2 = (2; 1; 3), and a3 = (0; 3; -3). Participants explore various methods to assess their independence, including the use of determinants and inspection.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss the use of the determinant to conclude linear dependence, while others suggest that inspection might suffice due to the simplicity of the vectors involved. There is also mention of alternative methods, such as solving a vector equation for dependence relations.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes multiple perspectives on assessing linear independence, with some participants affirming the correctness of the determinant approach while others advocate for inspection. There is no explicit consensus, but various methods are being explored and discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concern that determinants may be introduced prematurely without a full understanding of their implications. There is also a reference to seeking additional resources for deeper understanding.

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Homework Statement


Given vectors:
a1 = (1; 2; 0),
a2 = (2; 1; 3),
a3 = (0; 3; -3).
Find out if these vectors are linearly independent.

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The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> \lambda_1+2\lambda_2=0;\\<br /> 2\lambda+\lambda_2+3\lambda_3=0;\\<br /> 2\lambda_2-3\lambda_3=0;\\<br /> \end{cases}\\<br /> <br /> \lambda_1=\lambda_2=\lambda_3=0<br />

<br /> D=\begin{vmatrix} 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 0 \\ 2 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 \\ 0 &amp; 3 &amp; -3 \end{vmatrix}=0<br />

Vectors are not linearly independent because determinant is zero.
Am I correct?
 
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Yes, looks ok. It's also possible to do it by inspection since there are so few vectors involved. It shouldn't be too hard to spot that 2a1-a2=a3.
 
yes that is correct.
 
Defennder said:
Yes, looks ok. It's also possible to do it by inspection since there are so few vectors involved. It shouldn't be too hard to spot that 2a1-a2=a3.

Definitely agree with this approach. Determinants are thrown in too early without students understanding what they mean. It's best to seek a solution without them at an early level. Also seek Axler's paper :)
 
Lynne said:

Homework Statement


Given vectors:
a1 = (1; 2; 0),
a2 = (2; 1; 3),
a3 = (0; 3; -3).
Find out if these vectors are linearly independent.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> \begin{cases}<br /> \lambda_1+2\lambda_2=0;\\<br /> 2\lambda+\lambda_2+3\lambda_3=0;\\<br /> 2\lambda_2-3\lambda_3=0;\\<br /> \end{cases}\\<br /> <br /> \lambda_1=\lambda_2=\lambda_3=0<br />

<br /> D=\begin{vmatrix} 1 &amp; 2 &amp; 0 \\ 2 &amp; 1 &amp; 3 \\ 0 &amp; 3 &amp; -3 \end{vmatrix}=0<br />

Vectors are not linearly independent because determinant is zero.
Am I correct?

Well yeah, since the determinant is zero, it means that the corresponding matrix is singular, so the column vectors of that matrix are linearly dependent, in which case your vectors actually consist of the columns of the matrix.
i.e
A=[a1,a2,a3] where a1,a2,a3 are column vectors you were given.

Another way of doing it is taking the dependence relation

x_1a_1+x_2a_2+x_3a_3=\bar 0 and solving this vector equation, and observing that there are nontrivial solutions to this vector equation, which actually meanst that the three vectors given are lin. dependent.
 
Thank you very much.
 

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