Find k for Linear Combination of (2,3,5), (3,7,8), (1,-6,1)

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The problem involves determining the values of k for which the vector u = (7, -2, k) can be expressed as a linear combination of the vectors v_1 = (2, 3, 5), v_2 = (3, 7, 8), and v_3 = (1, -6, 1) in the context of vector spaces in R^3.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the augmented matrix and the implications of the resulting row echelon form. Questions arise regarding the meaning of undetermined solutions and incompatible solutions in the context of vector spaces.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the implications of the matrix manipulations and the conditions for consistency of the system. Some participants provide guidance on interpreting the results related to k and the nature of the solutions.

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There is mention of potential mistakes in the matrix steps, and participants are exploring the consequences of different forms of the resulting expressions involving k. The discussion reflects on the definitions and assumptions related to linear combinations and vector spaces.

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Let [tex]V=\mathbb(R)^3[/tex]. Find all values of k for which the vector u is a linear combination of the vectors given below:

[tex]v_1=(2,3,5)[/tex]; [tex]v_2=(3,7,8)[/tex]; [tex]v_3=(1,-6,1)[/tex] y [tex]u=(7,-2,k)[/tex]

[tex]\begin{Bmatrix}{ 2\lambda_1+3\lambda_2+\lambda_3=7} \\3\lambda_1+7\lambda_2-6\lambda_3=-2 \\5\lambda_1+8\lambda_2+\lambda_3=k \end{matrix}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{bmatrix}{2}&{3}&{1}&{7}\\{3}&{7}&{-6}&{-2}\\{5}&{8}&{3}&{k}\end{bmatrix}\rightarrow{<br /> \begin{bmatrix}{2}&{3}&{1}&{7}\\{0}&{5/2}&{-15/2}&{-25/2}\\{0}&{1/2}&{1/2}&{k-35/2}\end{bmatrix}}\rightarrow{<br /> \begin{bmatrix}{2}&{3}&{1}&{7}\\{0}&{5}&{-15}&{-25}\\{0}&{0}&{32}&{k-35}\end{bmatrix}}[/tex][tex]\begin{bmatrix}{2}&{3}&{1}&{7}\\{0}&{1}&{-3}&{-5}\\{0}&{0}&{3}&{k-30}\end{bmatrix}\rightarrow{\begin{bmatrix}{2}&{3}&{0}&{\displaystyle\frac{-k}{3}+10}\\{0}&{1}&{0}&{k-35}\\{0}&{0}&{3}&{k-30}\end{bmatrix}}\rightarrow{\begin{bmatrix}{2}&{0}&{0}&{\displaystyle\frac{-10}{3}k+115}\\{0}&{1}&{0}&{k-35}\\{0}&{0}&{1}&{k/3-10}\end{bmatrix}}\rightarrow{\begin{bmatrix}{1}&{0}&{0}&{\displaystyle\frac{-5}{3}k+115/2}\\{0}&{1}&{0}&{k-35}\\{0}&{0}&{1}&{k/3-10}\end{bmatrix}}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{Bmatrix}{ \lambda_1=\displaystyle\frac{-5}{3}k+\displaystyle\frac{115}{2}} \\ \lambda_2=k-35 \\ \lambda_3=\displaystyle\frac{k}{3}-10 \end{matrix}[/tex]

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You seem to have made a mistake in the second step.
 
Oh shhhhhhh... ok. Anyway. What does it mean when I got this kind of solution in terms of vectorial spaces? I mean, when its undetermined. And if I get an incompatible solution, what would it mean?

Bye and thanks.
 
Your matrix is really an augmented matrix, with the first three columns being the three given vectors, and the fourth column being the vector u. If you end up with a row whose first three entries are 0 and the fourth is an some expression involving k, the system is inconsistent if the expression involving k is nonzero. The system is consistent if and only if the expression involving k is equal to zero.
 
And if your initial work had been correct, that would mean for any value of k you could find a linear combination that would work, so your answer should have been "all real numbers."
 
Thanks Mark and vela.
 

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