Are Vectors in Index Notation Limited to Using Basis e^l?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of vector equations in index notation, specifically examining the relationships between vectors represented in terms of a basis. Participants are analyzing the conditions under which certain equalities hold true in a vector space context.

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of concluding that two vectors are equal based on their dot products with a basis vector. There is also a discussion about the implications of the basis vector potentially being the null vector and the assumptions surrounding the choice of basis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing differing perspectives on the implications of the equations presented. Some guidance has been offered regarding the limitations of the assumptions made, particularly concerning the nature of the basis vector.

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There is a noted lack of information regarding the specific properties of the basis vector and the dimensionality of the space being considered, which affects the conclusions that can be drawn from the equations.

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given the vector in the first equation below, does that necessarily imply the third equation, as shown?
[tex]{{u}_{a}}{{e}^{a}}={{x}_{a}}{{e}^{a}}[/tex]
[tex]{{u}_{a}}{{e}^{l}}g_{l}^{a}={{x}_{a}}{{e}^{l}}g_{l}^{a}[/tex]
[tex]{{u}_{a}}{{e}^{l}}={{x}_{a}}{{e}^{l}}[/tex]
 
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Hi redstone
No
In the first line, you have a single scalar equation, what you have written is that the dot product of u with e is the same as the dot product of x with e.
That of course does not mean that u = x unless your space is of dimension 1
In the third line, you have many equations saying that all components of u and x for any given index give the same result when multiplied by any component (but the same for u and x) of e, which let's you conclude that u = x
 
oli4 said:
In the third line, you have many equations saying that all components of u and x for any given index give the same result when multiplied by any component (but the same for u and x) of e, which let's you conclude that u = x

That's not true. What if ##e^l=0## for all ##l##?

Regarding the original post, it looks like you're trying to cancel ##g^a_l## from both sides of the equation. You can't do that.
 
Hi vela
well, of course if e is the null vector there isn't much to conclude neither in the first equation nor the third.
I wasn't trying to tell some general always valid truth, I was just trying to show how the first equation couldn't possibly lead to the third without just saying that, indeed, you can't do the second step :)
 
The choice of e as opposed to any other letter suggests that [itex]e^l[/itex] is not an arbitrary vector but a basis of the vector space. Although vela has a point that we can't really assume that until redstone gives us a bit more information on what he is actually looking for.
 

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