Are We Capable of Creating True Artificial Intelligence?

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The discussion centers on the potential for creating true artificial intelligence and the complexities of defining self-awareness. Participants explore the implications of advanced computers surpassing human cognitive abilities and question how one could determine if such machines possess self-awareness, especially if their internal processes are inaccessible. The conversation touches on the Turing Test's relevance, with some arguing that future AI may not need to match human intelligence but rather exceed it in other ways. The nature of consciousness and subjective experience is debated, highlighting the difficulty in defining self-awareness even in humans. Ultimately, the dialogue raises philosophical questions about the significance of self-awareness in both machines and humans.
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Originally posted by Merlin
I am interested in AI. The "evolution" of computer power is increasing in geometric progression. However, we would be an incredibly stupid race not to build fail safes into this "massive information systems"or MIS. I suspect that we are that incredibly stupid race! The next world leader will use a MIS to help with world domination. And, we will be willing victims, using a global monetary system and ID. As I've posted before, a computer in Belgium, nick named "the beast "already has the power. In nano seconds it can process all individual credit card/electronic money transactions on earth. Oh, and this is using only a fraction of its system...a computer or network of computers like the beast, along with a human (cyborg or genetically enhanced or...)? will rule Earth ... briefly ...[/color] Merlin[/color]

Not if the terminator becomes president.
 
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Originally posted by Merlin
I am interested in AI.
... As I've posted before, a computer in Belgium, nick named "the beast "already has the power.
Interested professionally?
The Beast in Belgium ... ? I have nothing to do with it! ;-)
 
  • #53
suppose it is possible, granted in the distant future, for a computer to be self aware.

suppose also that the machines will still have an if/then structure, albeit most likely a very complicated network of conditionals, or at least still be using some form of mathematical reasoning in its program.

what *part* of that machine would be the *source* of the self awareness? is it the cpu, the hard drive, the memory, the program it's running, the "sensory" data it's recieving?

or *maybe* it's the logic itself that is self aware and *that* is the source of self awareness. a SAS, a self aware structure:

http://www.physicsresource.com/showproduct.php?product=37&sort=1&cat=2&page=1
 
  • #54
Originally posted by phoenixthoth
suppose it is possible, granted in the distant future, for a computer to be self aware ... what *part* of that machine would be the *source* of the self awareness? is it the cpu, the hard drive, the memory, the program it's running, the "sensory" data it's recieving?

or *maybe* it's the logic itself that is self aware and *that* is the source of self awareness. a SAS, a self aware structure:
Self-awareness contains intrinsic the notion 'overview'.

Thus it must be a superior netwerk + interpretation system (over lower parallel sub-computers and sensors) that can self-organize, change focus and priorities on outer and self-produced information, energy-guildence, regulate proper subsystems, etc. , and determine proper goals and means in action and in future.
 
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suppose it is possible, granted in the distant future, for a computer to be self aware.
What makes the differece between carbon based and silcon based entities?

Would not the level of the complexity of assembly of the unit not dictate what the level of self awarenss was. Would not the level of self awarenss then, be the link between, and or result of, its physical construct and the V vector or wave funtion collapse.
In humans, its the brain and the V vector that makes us the level of self aware that we are.. Would not then all things have a physical construct, linked to the V vector which established the level of awareness. Would not then the computer have a physical construct that linked it to the V vector to produce self awareness.
 
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