Are You Aware of How Many Predatory Journals Exist?

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The discussion revolves around the existence and implications of predatory journals in the academic publishing landscape, particularly focusing on Canadian publications. Participants share links to articles and lists that highlight the prevalence of these journals and express concerns about their impact on research quality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share links to lists and articles about predatory journals, including a website that catalogs such journals.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the authenticity of Canadian journals, with claims that many are not genuinely Canadian in terms of content or authorship.
  • One participant notes that a specific journal claimed to be Canadian but shared an address with a fitness company, suggesting a lack of credibility.
  • Another participant discusses the removal of Beall's list of predatory journals, linking it to potential legal challenges faced by Beall and the University of Colorado.
  • There is a discussion about the accuracy of attributing the removal of Beall's list to legal pressures, with differing interpretations of the reasons behind it.
  • A participant expresses surprise at the number of predatory journals, referencing articles that estimate thousands of such journals exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the credibility of certain journals and the reasons behind the removal of Beall's list. There is no consensus on the implications of these predatory journals or the accuracy of the claims made regarding them.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific articles and lists that may have limitations in their definitions or criteria for identifying predatory journals. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of the motivations behind the removal of Beall's list.

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fresh_42 said:

It's worth pointing out that of the list of so-called "Canadian" publications, most are not actually Canadian at all, in terms of content, authors, editorial board, or even the location of their offices.

For example, according to the Ottawa Citizen article, with quotes below:

"
But how Canadian are these sites, underneath their red maple leaves and photos of Justin Trudeau?

Behind the Canadian names, there’s not much Canadian content and headquarters are often in India. The Canadian Journal of Pure and Applied Sciences is typical, with authors from India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Brazil, Morocco and Saudi Arabia, but not Canada. Its current issue is an assortment of topics from turtles to acoustics to malaria to fungus in the walls of a museum — generally useless to busy scientists who want focused journals in the fields where they work."
 
StatGuy2000 said:
It's worth pointing out that of the list of so-called "Canadian" publications, most are not actually Canadian at all
One was actually from Toronto "sharing an address with Goodlife Fitness".
 
StatGuy2000 said:
Well, I did say "most", not "all".
My comment wasn't meant as a criticism, rather a reminder that even an IP address isn't a reliable marker these days.
 
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jtbell said:
likely connected with legal challenges against him and the University of Colorado.
Hi jtbell:

Thanks for your link to the Wikipedia article.

I do not disagree with your conclusion that the legal challenges might well have played some role in the removal of Beall's list from the university site, but I think saying that it was the "likely" reason is not quite justified from what I read in the Wikipedia article. I tend to believe the statement summarizing Beall's reason:
Beall later wrote that he had taken down his blog because of pressure from the University of Colorado, which threatened his job security.​
Wikipedia cites the following for this summary.
Beall, Jeffrey (September 2009). "Bentham Open". The Charleston Advisor. 11 (1): 29–32.​
I tried to get access to read the above, but apparently The Charleston Advisor requires a subscription to access a reprint.

If what you intended to convey was that the University of Colorado yielded to the threat of lawsuits, and then they pressured Beall, I think you might have phrased your statement more clearly.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
If what you intended to convey was that the University of Colorado yielded to the threat of lawsuits, and then they pressured Beall, I think you might have phrased your statement more clearly.
Yes, that would be a more accurate description, and I apologize for my sloppy language.
 
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