Are zero-point energy and inertia incompatible?

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The discussion centers on the compatibility of zero-point energy (ZPE) and inertia, with participants asserting that ZPE's random fluctuations do not negate the concept of inertia. Stephen Hawking's work on Hawking Radiation is referenced, emphasizing that popular interpretations often misrepresent the underlying mathematics. The conversation highlights the importance of using credible sources for understanding complex physics topics, specifically criticizing Wikipedia as an unreliable reference. Participants recommend several Insights articles from Physics Forums to deepen comprehension of virtual particles and vacuum fluctuations.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of zero-point energy (ZPE)
  • Familiarity with inertia and its implications in physics
  • Basic knowledge of Hawking Radiation and its derivation
  • Awareness of credible scientific sources and literature
NEXT STEPS
  • Read the article "Physics of Virtual Particles" on Physics Forums
  • Explore "Misconceptions about Virtual Particles" for clarity on common misunderstandings
  • Investigate "Vacuum Fluctuation Myth" to understand the nuances of ZPE
  • Study "Vacuum Fluctuations: Experimental Practice" for practical insights into ZPE
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Physicists, students of theoretical physics, and anyone interested in the fundamental principles of energy and motion will benefit from this discussion.

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With zero-point energy, endlessly jittering everything around randomly, nothing is ever at rest, and never moving at a constant speed (inertia).

But we've been getting along without knowledge of it for quite a while! Haha.

So, since it's random, and produces such little variations, maybe it just doesn't matter.

But, the question here is, are ZPE and inertia incompatible?

ZPE is interesting enough for even Stephen Hawking to have his Hawking Radiation based upon it.

So what does this all mean, and does it lead us to anything new?

Thanks,

Jake
 
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jaketodd said:
With zero-point energy, endlessly jittering everything around randomly, nothing is ever at rest, and never moving at a constant speed (inertia).
Starting from a false premise is not going to lead you to any valid conclusions. (Nor is using Wikipedia as a source for topics like this.)

I suggest reading these Insights articles:

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/physics-virtual-particles/

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/misconceptions-virtual-particles/

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/vacuum-fluctuation-myth/

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/vacuum-fluctuations-experimental-practice/
 
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jaketodd said:
ZPE is interesting enough for even Stephen Hawking to have his Hawking Radiation based upon it.
This is not correct. Hawking radiation is often described this way in pop science sources, but the actual math in Hawking's actual derivation is quite different.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Starting from a false premise is not going to lead you to any valid conclusions. (Nor is using Wikipedia as a source for topics like this.)

I suggest reading these Insights articles:

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/physics-virtual-particles/

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/misconceptions-virtual-particles/

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/vacuum-fluctuation-myth/

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/vacuum-fluctuations-experimental-practice/
Maybe you'd like to make the appropriate revisions to Wikipedia then?
 
jaketodd said:
Maybe you'd like to make the appropriate revisions to Wikipedia then?
I have no interest in revising Wikipedia; nor, I suspect, do the authors of those Insights articles. I am simply pointing out to you that, whether you like it or not, Wikipedia is not a valid source if you're trying to learn about physics.

In any case, this kind of suggestion is off topic here. Read the articles and improve your understanding; then you will be in a much better position to ask cogent questions.

In the meantime, this thread is closed since there are no cogent questions in it to answer.
 
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