Area of Region II: 16 & 256/3 sq. units

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between curves defined by the equations \(y^2=4x\) and \(y=2x-4\), as well as between \(y=x+3\) and \(y=x^2+x-13\). Participants explore different methods for calculating these areas, including integration techniques and the use of symmetry properties of functions.

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  • One participant presents their calculations for the areas, claiming the area for the first region is 16 sq. units and for the second region is 256/3 sq. units.
  • Another participant suggests finding an alternative method for the second area to simplify the integration process.
  • A participant mentions the even-function rule as a potential simplification technique but expresses uncertainty about its application.
  • Some participants discuss theorems related to even and odd functions and their implications for integration over symmetric intervals.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of the first area calculation, stating that one of the intersection points is not valid within the domain of the function.
  • Another participant provides a detailed alternative approach to calculating the first area, arriving at a different result of 9 sq. units.
  • There are questions regarding the validity of manipulating equations to express one variable in terms of another, particularly in the context of the first equation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the area calculations. There are competing views regarding the validity of the first area calculation, with some asserting it is incorrect while others defend their methods. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct area for the first region.

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Participants express uncertainty about the application of certain mathematical techniques, such as the even-function rule, and the validity of their calculations. There are also unresolved issues regarding the points of intersection and their implications for the area calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students preparing for exams in calculus or those interested in methods for calculating areas between curves and understanding the properties of functions in integration.

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again i just want to check if my answers were correct. i didn't include the complete solution because I'm in a hurry our finals is just around the corner. if my answers are not correct just say so and i will try to solve it again until i get it. thanks!

1. find the area bounded by $y^2=4x$ & $y=2x-4$.

points of intersection are x=4,-2

$\displaystyle\int_{-2}^4 (\frac{1}{2}x+2-\frac{1}{4}x^2)dx$ = $\left[\frac{x^2}{4}+2x-\frac{x^3}{12}\right]_{-2}^4$

it turns out that the area is 16 sq. units

2. find the area bounded by $y=x+3$ and $y=x^2+x-13$

points of intersection are x=4,-4

$\displaystyle\int_{-4}^4 (16-x^2)dx = \left[16x-\frac{x^3}{3}\right]_{-4}^4$

the area is 256/3 sq. units.

 
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2. find the area bounded by $y=x+3$ and $y=x^2+x-13$

points of intersection are x=4,-4

$\displaystyle\int_{-4}^4 (16-x^2)dx = \left[16x-\frac{x^3}{3}\right]_{-4}^4$

the area is 256/3 sq. units.
Hello,
I have not check your answer but could you solve 2 in another way( a way that make it more easy to put in the value after you integrate) You should be able to do this.

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Look what MarkFL comment on your early topic
 
i don't know how to do that. but markfl said in my other topic that i should use even-function rule which i have no idea about.
 
There are a couple of theorems about symmetries of functions and integrals on symmetric regions. If $f$ is an even function (that is, $f(x)=f(-x)$ for all $x$), and suitably well-behaved (continuous is sufficient, but not necessary) then
$$\int_{-a}^{a} f(x) \, dx=2 \int_{0}^{a}f(x) \, dx.$$
If $f$ is an odd function (that is, $f(x)=-f(-x)$ for all $x$), and suitably well-behaved, then
$$ \int_{-a}^{a}f(x) \, dx=0.$$
 
Ackbach said:
There are a couple of theorems about symmetries of functions and integrals on symmetric regions. If $f$ is an even function (that is, $f(x)=f(-x)$ for all $x$), and suitably well-behaved (continuous is sufficient, but not necessary) then
$$\int_{-a}^{a} f(x) \, dx=2 \int_{0}^{a}f(x) \, dx.$$
If $f$ is an odd function (that is, $f(x)=-f(-x)$ for all $x$), and suitably well-behaved, then
$$ \int_{-a}^{a}f(x) \, dx=0.$$

are my answers above correct?
 
2 is correct; you could have used the even function trick that Petrus, MarkFL, and I have mentioned to simplify your calculations, but your result is fine.

1 is incorrect. $x=-2$ is not in the domain of $y^{2}=4x$. If you plug in $x=-2$ on the RHS, you get a negative number, whereas the LHS must always be non-negative. I would consider tilting your head on its side, and do a $y$-integral on this one, so that you don't have to break your integral up into two regions.

Start by plotting the region, and see if that gives you an idea.
 
paulmdrdo said:
again i just want to check if my answers were correct. i didn't include the complete solution because I'm in a hurry our finals is just around the corner. if my answers are not correct just say so and i will try to solve it again until i get it. thanks!

1. find the area bounded by $y^2=4x$ & $y=2x-4$.

points of intersection are x=4,-2

$\displaystyle\int_{-2}^4 (\frac{1}{2}x+2-\frac{1}{4}x^2)dx$ = $\left[\frac{x^2}{4}+2x-\frac{x^3}{12}\right]_{-2}^4$

it turns out that the area is 16 sq. units

The points of intersection are where the two functions are equal. We can see from the second that \displaystyle \begin{align*} y = 2x - 4 \implies 2y = 4x - 8 \implies 4x = 2y + 8 \end{align*}, and so substituting into the first equation we get

\displaystyle \begin{align*} y^2 &= 2y + 8 \\ y^2 - 2y - 8 &= 0 \\ ( y - 4 ) ( y + 2) &= 0 \\ y = 4 \textrm{ or } y &= -2 \end{align*}

From here we can see that the two points of intersection are \displaystyle \begin{align*} (x, y) = (4, 4) \end{align*} and \displaystyle \begin{align*} (x , y ) = ( 1, -2) \end{align*}.

Now, if we draw out the region, it would be easiest to evaluate the area of if we dealt with horizontal strips. Each horizontal strip is bounded on the left by the function \displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{4}y^2 \end{align*} and bounded on the right by the function \displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{1}{2}y + 2 \end{align*}. We would then sum these strips between \displaystyle \begin{align*} y = -2 \end{align*} and \displaystyle \begin{align*} y = 4 \end{align*}. So the area can be evaluated as

\displaystyle \begin{align*} A &= \int_{-2}^4{\int_{\frac{1}{4}y^2}^{\frac{1}{2}y + 2}{1\,dx}\,dy} \\ &= \int_{-2}^4{\left[ x \right]_{\frac{1}{4}y^2}^{\frac{1}{2}y + 2}\,dy} \\ &= \int_{-2}^4{ \frac{1}{2}y + 2 - \frac{1}{4}y^2\,dy } \\ &= \left[ \frac{1}{4}y^2 + 2y - \frac{1}{12}y^3 \right] _{-2}^4 \\ &= \left[ \frac{1}{4}(4)^2 + 2(4) - \frac{1}{12}(4)^3 \right] - \left[ \frac{1}{4}(-2)^2 + 2(-2) - \frac{1}{12}(-2)^3 \right] \\ &= \left[ 4 + 8 - \frac{16}{3} \right] - \left[ 1 - 4 + \frac{2}{3} \right] \\ &= 12 - \frac{16}{3} + 3 - \frac{2}{3} \\ &= 15 - \frac{18}{3} \\ &= 15 - 6 \\ &= 9 \end{align*}

So the area is \displaystyle \begin{align*} 9\,\textrm{units}^2 \end{align*}.
 
i assume you switched the variables in 1, but you've done the arithmetic incorrectly. try solving it again and you'll get 9 sq. units.
 
why did you multiply the 1st equation by 2? and how can we determine that this technique is valid to a problem?
$\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} y = 2x - 4 \implies 2y = 4x - 8 \implies 4x = 2y + 8 \end{align*}$
 
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why did you multiply the 1st equation by 2? and how can we determine that this technique is valid to a problem?
$\displaystyle \displaystyle \begin{align*} y = 2x - 4 \implies 2y = 4x - 8 \implies 4x = 2y + 8 \end{align*}$

You were given $y^2=4x$, and so multiplying the other equation by $2$ allows $4x$ to be expressed as a function of $y$. If we have two quantities that are equal, can we not multiply both sides by the same value and still have equality?
 

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