Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean inequality question

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Arithmetic Mean-Geometric Mean (AM-GM) inequality, specifically questioning the use of square roots versus fourth roots in certain inequalities involving positive variables a, b, c, and d.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether the use of square roots instead of fourth roots is a typographical error, particularly in the context of specific examples where the right-hand side equals 1. There is also discussion about the implications of substituting values into the inequalities and the validity of the conclusions drawn from those substitutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of the inequalities presented in the textbook. Some participants suggest that the inequalities may not hold true under certain substitutions, leading to further questioning of the assumptions made in the original statements.

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Participants note that the variables a, b, c, and d are constrained to be positive, and there is a concern about potential errors in the textbook that may affect the validity of the inequalities discussed.

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Textbook example states that (a/b + b/c + c/d + d/a)/4 ≥ (a/b × b/c × c/d × d/a)^(1/2) based on AM-GM. But AM-GM states that the RHS should be the 4th root i.e ^(1/4), not the square root, because there are 4 terms. I thought this was a typo, but then a later example uses the exact same idea.
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For numbers x₁, x₂, ..., xₙ: (x₁ + x₂ + ... + xₙ) / n ≥ (x₁ * x₂ * ... * xₙ)^(1/n)
Hi,

Can someone explain why we can use the square root rather than the 4th root in this application of the AM-GM?

(a/b + b/c + c/d + d/a) / 4 ≥ (a/b × b/c × c/d × d/a)^(1/2)

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I think it is a typo. But it doesn't matter in this example because the RHS is 1.
Is the later example similar? If its RHS is ##\le 1##, then the fourth root is ##\ge ## the square root.
 
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FactChecker said:
I think it is a typo. But it doesn't matter in this example because the RHS is 1.
Is the later example similar?
Great thanks, I was satisfied it was a typo, or that the writer recognized the product was equal to 1 so thought it didn't matter. But then in a later proof he writes:

$$

\frac{\frac{a^3}{b} + \frac{b^3}{c} + \frac{c^3}{d} + \frac{d^3}{a}}{4} \geq \sqrt{\frac{a^3}{b} \times \frac{b^3}{c} \times \frac{c^3}{d} \times \frac{d^3}{a}}

$$
$$
\frac{\frac{a^3}{b} + \frac{b^3}{c} + \frac{c^3}{d} + \frac{d^3}{a}}{4} \geq \sqrt{a^2b^2c^2d^2}

$$
$$

\frac{a^3}{b} + \frac{b^3}{c} + \frac{c^3}{d} + \frac{d^3}{a} \geq 4abcd

$$

Note:

$$ a,b,c,d > 0 $$
 
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FactChecker said:
I think it is a typo. But it doesn't matter in this example because the RHS is 1.
Is the later example similar? If its RHS is ##\le 1##, then the fourth root is ##\ge ## the square root.
Ok, I think there are errors in the textbook. I just tried a simple substitution of ## a=1, b=2, c=3, d=4 ## and the conclusion is false. ##4abcd = 96## while the ##LHS= 74 ## approximately. So the RHS should have ## \sqrt{abcd}## and I've been lead down a rabbit hole.

Apologies. I wonder if I should delete this thread?
 
Your thread is fine. :smile:
 
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