Arranging Identical Chips in a Circle: Combinatorics Question Explained

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The problem involves determining the number of ways to arrange four identical red chips and two identical white chips in a circular formation. The challenge lies in accounting for the rotational symmetry of the arrangement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the initial calculation of arrangements in a linear format and the subsequent adjustment for circular arrangements. There is uncertainty about how to properly account for rotations and whether mirror images should be considered. Some participants express a desire to understand the numerical justification behind their reasoning.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning their initial approaches. Some have proposed that there are only three distinct arrangements, while others are seeking clarification on how to derive this conclusion numerically.

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Participants note that the general case of arranging identical objects in a circle can be complex, and they are looking for specific features of this problem that might simplify the analysis.

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Homework Statement


In how many ways can four identical red chips and two identical white chips be arranged in a circle?

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The Attempt at a Solution


First, I calculated the number of different arrangements when the the chips are just in a line. This is ##\displaystyle {6 \choose 2} = 15##. Next, I thought that since the chips are arranged in a circle, we have to divide by 6 to take into account the rotations that would essentially be considered the same. However, 15 is obviously not divisible by 6, so I am doing something wrong. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


In how many ways can four identical red chips and two identical white chips be arranged in a circle?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I calculated the number of different arrangements when the the chips are just in a line. This is ##\displaystyle {6 \choose 2} = 15##. Next, I thought that since the chips are arranged in a circle, we have to divide by 6 to take into account the rotations that would essentially be considered the same. However, 15 is obviously not divisible by 6, so I am doing something wrong. What am I doing wrong?
Not all circles of 6 will produce 6 different linear sequences by starting at the 6 different points.
In general, you would also need to consider whether two circles that are mirror images should be counted as one or two, but in this very simple set up I don't think that arises.
 
haruspex said:
Not all circles of 6 will produce 6 different linear sequences by starting at the 6 different points.
In general, you would also need to consider whether two circles that are mirror images should be counted as one or two, but in this very simple set up I don't think that arises.
I looked at the problem a bit more and realized that there are only 3 arrangements, so this solves the problem. However, I still want to see how this is done with numbers. I'm not sure what you mean by the first part of your post. Do I need to rethink my initial approach, or do I need to somehow divide by 3 to get the correct answer?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
I looked at the problem a bit more and realized that there are only 3 arrangements, so this solves the problem. However, I still want to see how this is done with numbers. I'm not sure what you mean by the first part of your post. Do I need to rethink my initial approach, or do I need to somehow divide by 3 to get the correct answer?
There is no simple ratio that can be justified between the linear and circular counts.
If we start with the circle (RRWWWW) and generate linear sequences by taking the 6 possible starting points in it, we get 6 different sequences. Similarly with (RWRWWW).
If we start with the circle (RWWRWW), we only get three different linear sequences.
6+6+3=15.
 

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