MHB [ASK] Distance from the Upper Base to the Center of Dodecahedron

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To prove the volume formula of a regular dodecahedron, the discussion focuses on splitting it into 12 identical pentagonal pyramids and determining their height. The use of the Pythagorean theorem and trigonometry is suggested, with specific references to the angles where three faces meet and the golden ratio. The area of the pentagon and the coordinates of the dodecahedron's vertices are also discussed as methods to calculate the necessary dimensions. Ultimately, the volume is expressed in terms of the side length of the dodecahedron, leading to a simplified formula. The conversation emphasizes the importance of geometric principles in deriving these calculations.
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I want to prove the formula of regular dodecahedron's volume. For this, I need to split the dodecahedron to 12 pentagonal pyramid with the same size. However, I don't know how to determine the height of those pentagonal pyramids. Any references I had encountered involving either golden ratio or incircle formula. Can we just determine their height using pure Pythagorean theorem? Trigonometry is also welcomed, but I still have some doubts about determining the angles where 3 faces of the dodecahedron meet because they provided no proof. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Monoxdifly said:
I want to prove the formula of regular dodecahedron's volume. For this, I need to split the dodecahedron to 12 pentagonal pyramid with the same size. However, I don't know how to determine the height of those pentagonal pyramids. Any references I had encountered involving either golden ratio or incircle formula. Can we just determine their height using pure Pythagorean theorem? Trigonometry is also welcomed, but I still have some doubts about determining the angles where 3 faces of the dodecahedron meet because they provided no proof. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
This is another tough one.

Step 1 is to check that $\tan54^\circ = \dfrac{1+\sqrt5}{\sqrt{10-2\sqrt5}}.$ That is essentially what you asked in http://mathhelpboards.com/trigonometry-12/ask-tan-36-a-18156.html#post83543, or you can find a detailed proof of it here. You can simplify that expression in two ways. First, multiply top and bottom of the fraction by $\sqrt{10+2\sqrt5}.$ Second, use the fact that $\bigl(1+\sqrt5\bigr)^2 = 6+2\sqrt5$ to write it as $$\tan54^\circ = \frac{1+\sqrt5}{\sqrt{10-2\sqrt5}} = \frac{\sqrt{(6+2\sqrt5)(10+2\sqrt5)}}{\sqrt{80}} = \frac{\sqrt{80+32\sqrt5}}{4\sqrt5} = \frac{\sqrt{5+2\sqrt5}}{\sqrt5}.$$

Step 2 is to find the area of a regular pentagon with side $a$. This consists of five "pizza slice" triangles with base $a$ and height $a\tan54^\circ$. Using Step 1, their total area comes out as $A = \sqrt{5\bigl(5+2\sqrt5\bigr)}a^2.$

Step 3 is to use coordinates to represent a regular dodecahedron. The standard choice is to take the $20$ vertices to be the points $$(\pm1,\pm1,\pm1),\quad (0,\pm\tau^{-1},\pm\tau),\quad (\pm\tau,0,\pm\tau^{-1}), \quad (\pm\tau^{-1},\pm\tau,0),$$ where $\tau$ is the golden ratio $\frac12(1+\sqrt5).$ Select one face of this dodecahedron, for example by choosing the five vertices $$(1,1,1),\quad (0,\tau^{-1},\tau),\quad (-1,1,1), \quad (-\tau^{-1},\tau,0), \quad (\tau^{-1},\tau,0).$$ The centre point of this face (obtained by taking the means of the coordinates of the vertices) is the point $$\bigl(0, \tfrac{5+3\sqrt5}{10}, \tfrac{5+\sqrt5}{10} \bigr).$$ The distance $h_0$ from that point to the centre of the dodecahedron (which is the origin) is given by $$h_0^2 = \tfrac1{100}\bigl((5+3\sqrt5)^2 + (5+\sqrt5)^2\bigr),$$ which simplifies to $h_0^2 = \frac15\bigl(5+2\sqrt5\bigr).$ The edges of this canonical dodecahedron have length $\sqrt5-1$. So in a dodecahedron with side $a$ the distance corresponding to $h_0$ would be $$h = \frac{\sqrt{\frac 15\bigl(5+2\sqrt5 \bigr)}}{\sqrt5-1}a.$$

Step 4. We can now get the volume of the dodecahedron as the union of $12$ pentagonal pyramids with base area $A$ and height $h$, namely $$V = 12\times\frac13 \times \sqrt{5\bigl(5+2\sqrt5\bigr)}a^2 \times \frac{\sqrt{\frac15\bigl(5+2\sqrt5\bigr)}}{\sqrt5-1}a.$$ Using the same trick as in Step 1 to rationalise the fraction (here, multiply top and bottom by $\sqrt5 + 1$), this simplifies to $$V = \tfrac14\bigl(15 + 7\sqrt5\bigr)a^3.$$
 
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Coordinates again? Do I ever escape that?
 
Monoxdifly said:
Coordinates again? Do I ever escape that?
What have you got against them? Cartesian geometry is one of the most powerful tools in mathematics. (Happy)
 
Opalg said:
What have you got against them? Cartesian geometry is one of the most powerful tools in mathematics. (Happy)

I managed to do it without coordinates by using only Pythagorean theorem and trigonometry. I would post them once I have much time.
 
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