Center of mass of NH3 molecule, not quite there

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The discussion revolves around calculating the center of mass of an ammonia (NH3) molecule, which consists of three hydrogen atoms forming the base of a pyramid and a nitrogen atom at the apex. Participants are analyzing the geometric and mass properties of the molecule to determine the center of mass coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of symmetry to determine the x-coordinate of the center of mass and explore the calculation of the y-coordinate using the Pythagorean theorem. Questions arise regarding the specific triangle used for calculations and the accuracy of mass ratios employed.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants identifying potential errors in mass ratio assumptions and calculations. One participant has recognized a discrepancy in the mass ratio used compared to actual periodic table values, suggesting a productive direction for refining the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with specific measurements and mass ratios, including a noted mass ratio of nitrogen to hydrogen as 13.9, which is acknowledged as approximate but not precise enough for accurate calculations.

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Homework Statement



An amonia NH3 molecule in the figure has three hydrogen atoms, which form a equilateral triangle as the base of a pyramid. At the top of the pyramid is the nitrogen atom.

The length between any two hydrogen atoms is 9.4x10^-11, the length from nitrogen to any of the hydrogen atoms is 10.14x10^-11.

The mass ratio of nitrogen to hydrogen is 13.9.

The xaxis runs through the bottom of the pyramid, one of the points lies on it. The y-axis runs through the center of the pyramid vertically.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am getting a close answer, but off enough to think I'm doing something wrong.

x center of mass is 0, by symmetry/intuition.

For y, what i did was try to find how high nitrogen is with the pythagorean theorem. I got that nitrogen should be at a height of 3.8x10^-11 along y axis.

I multiplied this number by 13.9, then divided by 16.9.


My result is 3.125x10^-11 for the ycom, but the correct answer is 3.08x10^-11. Why am I off by that amount?
 
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1MileCrash said:
For y, what i did was try to find how high nitrogen is with the pythagorean theorem. I got that nitrogen should be at a height of 3.8x10^-11 along y axis.
What triangle did you use?
 
The reason for the error is that I took their word for it and just used 1 and 13.9, while they used the actual periodic table masses of N and H. 13.9 is pretty darn close to the actual ratio of mass between the two, but not close enough.
 
Good. Glad you figured it out.
 

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