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The discussion revolves around determining the equation of a graph based on its asymptotic behavior. The original poster presents a graph with a vertical asymptote at x=-1 and a horizontal asymptote at y=1, seeking guidance on how to derive an equation from these characteristics.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the asymptotes and the potential form of the equation. There are discussions about the general form of equations for such graphs and the implications of the asymptotes on the equation's structure.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions behind the proposed forms of the equation. Some have suggested specific forms based on the asymptotic behavior, while others are clarifying the conditions that must be met for these forms to be valid. There is no explicit consensus on the final equation yet, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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There are constraints regarding the conditions that must be satisfied for the proposed equations, such as the behavior of the function at specific points and the nature of the parameters involved. Participants are also discussing the significance of the variable 'p' in the context of the general equation form.

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Hi. I was doing a practice exam, and came across this question:

"What is the equation of this graph:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8089/untitled1copyhe1.jpg "[/URL]

If i am given a graph, and i don't know what type of graph it is, is there any way i can find an equation? The question also shows a vertical asymptote at at x=-1, and a horizontal asymptote at y=1.

All help greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Dan.
 
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In general, it's not so easy... if at all possible.

However, in the special cases, you can do this.. and are probably expected to.

In your example, if it were asymptotic to x=0 and y=0 would it be easier?
 
Hmmm not really :( I am not even sure where to start, and how to use the asymptotes.

Should i know the general form of the equation for this type of graph?
 
Okay, so on your graph there are asymptotes at x=-1 and y = 1. This means that as [itex]x\to -1[/itex] then [itex]y\to\pm\infty[/itex]. Now, the horizontal asymptote means that as [itex]x\to + \infty[/itex] then [itex]y\to 1[/itex]. Therefore, the equation of the curve must be something of the form;

[tex]y = \frac{A}{x+1} + 1[/tex]

Can you see why?
 
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Hootenanny said:
Therefore, the equation of the curve must be something of the form;

[tex]y = \frac{A}{x+1} + 1[/tex]

Can you see why?

No, i don't. But can you see why the equation must have this form

[tex]y(x)=\frac{A_{1}x^{p-1}+...+A_{p-1}x-3}{(x+1)^{p}}+1[/tex]

?

You need to add the conditions

[itex]p\geq 1[/itex], y(2)=0, the table of sign for y and the requirement that on its domain of definition the first derivative be positive.

Daniel.
 
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hmmm i think so. The (x + 1) denominator means that when x=-1, the denominator is 0, therefore making y=infinity; and that "1" constant, that comes from the horizontal asymptote, because as x approaches +/- infinity, the [tex]\frac{A}{x+1}[/tex] approaches zero.

Am i thinking along the right lines?
 
Im not quite getting what you said dex :(
 
A minor typo in my first post, p can assume the value 1, which leads to the simple form gave by Hootenay in post #4. The conditions i stated in my previous post have to be checked for the proposed solution by Hootenay.

Daniel.
 
So...would i be right in saying that the equation for this graph is:
[tex]y=\frac{-3}{x+1}+1[/tex]
?
 
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danago said:
So...would i be right in saying that the equation for this graph is:
[tex]y=\frac{-3}{x+1}+1[/tex]
?
That is indeed correct.
 
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ok thanks for the help :)
 
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dextercioby said:
No, i don't. But can you see why the equation must have this form

[tex]y(x)=\frac{A_{1}x^{p-1}+...+A_{p-1}x-3}{(x+1)^{p}}+1[/tex]

?

You need to add the conditions

[itex]p\geq 1[/itex], y(2)=0, the table of sign for y and the requirement that on its domain of definition the first derivative be positive.

Daniel.

This may sound stupid, but why did you use this equation?

[tex]y(x)=\frac{A_{1}x^{p-1}+...+A_{p-1}x-3}{(x+1)^{p}}+1[/tex]

I understand the specific version of the equation used but what does this equation mean?

What does the variable 'p' represent?
 
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p is not a variable, it's just a natural number. It should match the indexed constants A_{1},...,A_{p}.

It's the most general possible solution to the problem.

Daniel.
 

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