Graphing Rational Functions: How to Find Asymptotes and Intercepts

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The discussion revolves around graphing the rational function \( y = \frac{2x - 6}{x^2 - 5x + 4} \), focusing on identifying asymptotes, intercepts, and the behavior of the function near discontinuities. Participants are exploring vertical and horizontal asymptotes, domain restrictions, and the function's intercepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of vertical asymptotes and question the continuity of the function. There are attempts to clarify the correct form of the function and its implications for asymptotic behavior. Some participants express confusion regarding the horizontal asymptote and its calculation.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the function's characteristics, with some participants providing guidance on determining the horizontal asymptote and discussing the implications of the function's behavior near asymptotes. Multiple interpretations of the function's behavior are being examined, particularly regarding the range and the graph's shape.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering non-permissible values related to vertical asymptotes and points of discontinuity, as well as the implications of the function's form on its graph. There is a noted uncertainty about how to accurately represent the graph based on the asymptotic behavior and intercepts.

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Homework Statement


Sketch the graphs of the following functions and show all asymptotes with a dotted line
y = (2x - 6)/ (x2-5x+4)
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i) Equation of any vertical asymptote(s)

ii) State any restrictions or non-permissible value(s)

iii) Determine coordinates of any intercept(s)

iv) Describe the behavior of the function as it approaches and leaves vertical asymptotes and/or point of discontinuity

v) State the horizontal asymptote.vi) State the Domain and Range

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The Attempt at a Solution


I hope my thread title is correct.
First off I factored the function
y = 2(x-3)/(x-4)(x-1)

i) This gave me my vertical asymptotes: x = 4, x = 1

ii) Without any points of discontinuity then I don't have any restrictions or non-permissible values (I think)

iii) X intercept
0 = (2x-6)/(x2-5x+4)
(0)(x2-5x+4) = 2x-6
0 = 2x - 6
6 = 2x
x = 3
(3,0)

iii) Y intercept
y = 2(0)-6/(0)2-5(0)+4
y = -6/4
y = -3/2
(0,-3/2)

iv) I believe I can do this once I figure out my graph

v) Horizontal Asymptote: y = 2

vi) D: x ≠ 4, 1

Now I tried finding my range but substituting my horizontal asymptote into the function
2 = (2x-6)/(x2-5x+4)
2x2-10x+8 = 2x-6
2x2-12x+14 = 0
Using quadratic equation I get 3±√2

Now when I put all this onto my graph I don't know where to draw the lines. I think I've placed all my lines where I should but something seems wrong.
 
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Homework Statement


Sketch the graphs of the following functions and show all asymptotes with a dotted line
y = 2x - 6/ x2-5x+4
View attachment 111366

i) Equation of any vertical asymptote(s)

ii) State any restrictions or non-permissible value(s)

iii) Determine coordinates of any intercept(s)

iv) Describe the behavior of the function as it approaches and leaves vertical asymptotes and/or point of discontinuity

v) State the horizontal asymptote.vi) State the Domain and Range

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I hope my thread title is correct.
First off I factored the function
y = 2(x-3)/(x-4)(x-1)

i) This gave me my vertical asymptotes: x = 4, x = 1

ii) Without any points of discontinuity then I don't have any restrictions or non-permissible values (I think)

iii) X intercept
0 = 2x-6/x2-5x+4
(0)(x2-5x+4) = 2x-6
0 = 2x - 6
6 = 2x
x = 3
(3,0)

iii) Y intercept
y = 2(0)-6/(0)2-5(0)+4
y = -6/4
y = -3/2
(0,-3/2)

iv) I believe I can do this once I figure out my graph

v) Horizontal Asymptote: y = 2

vi) D: x ≠ 4, 1

Now I tried finding my range but substituting my horizontal asymptote into the function
2 = 2x-6/x2-5x+4
2x2-10x+8 = 2x-6
2x2-12x+14 = 0
Using quadratic equation I get 3±√2

Now when I put all this onto my graph I don't know where to draw the lines. I think I've placed all my lines where I should but something seems wrong.
You wrote two functions
y = 2x - 6/ x2-5x+4 which means ##2x-\frac{6}{x^2}-5x+4##
and
y = 2(x-3)/(x-4)(x-1), ##y=2\frac{x-3}{x-4} (x-1)##
but you seem to work with ##y=\frac{2x-6}{x^2-5x+4}##
Which function is the real one?
 
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I see that may have been confusing. I should have written it like this
y = (2x-6)/(x2-5x+4)
 
Schaus said:
I see that may have been confusing. I should have written it like this
y = (2x-6)/(x2-5x+4)
Yes, it is correct now. And it is 2(x-3)/[(x-4)(x-1)] in factorized form.
You were right, the vertical asymptotes are at x=1 and x=4. Are these x values permissible for the function? Is the function really continuous?
How is the horizontal asymptote defined? I do not think y=2 is correct.
 
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I was under the impression that when you had a function like 2(x-3)/[(x-4)(x-1)] the 2 in the numerator is divided by the denominator and since it is 2/1 then y = 2
 
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I was under the impression that when xyou had a function like 2(x-3)/[(x-4)(x-1)] the 2 in the numerator is divided by the denominator and since it is 2/1 then y = 2
No, you get the horizontal asymptote at the limit x→ -∞ and x→ ∞. If x is very big the constant terms can be ignored, and the function is approximated by 2x/x2=2/x.
 
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So, what is the horizontal asymptote?
 
If its 2/x would you make 2/x = 0?
 
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If its 2/x would you make 2/x = 0?
yes, y=0 is the horizontal asymptote.
 
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If its 2/x would you make 2/x = 0?

No. You have the correct asypmptote, but have expressed it incorrectly.

You NEVER can have 2/x = 0; however, you do have that 2/x approaches 0 for large |x|, so ##\lim_{x \to \pm \infty} 2/x = 0## would be the right way of saying it.
 
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So if y = 0 then my range is y ≥ 0 because it doesn't cross the horizontal asymptote. I still don't know how to draw my graph. How do I find out which way to go with it?
 
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So if y = 0 then my range is y ≥ 0 because it doesn't cross the horizontal asymptote. I still don't know how to draw my graph. How do I find out which way to go with it?
No. Determine the sign of the function when x<1. Remember you obtained y=-3/2 as y intercept.
Determine the sign of the function in the various domains.
 
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Ok, so now I start my graph from underneath the horizontal asymptote and go through the y intercept then curve it downwards -∞?
 
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Also when it says to state non-permissibles. Does that only mean when there are points of discontinuity? Or am I supposed to state the restrictions on x as well? Like x ≠ 4, 1
 
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Ok, so now I start my graph from underneath the horizontal asymptote and go through the y intercept then curve it downwards -∞?
Yes. And how will the function look at the other side of the x=1 asymptote?
 
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If it goes down to -∞ then it will start at the top of the graph coming from ∞ then going through my (3,0) intercept down through -∞ and back to ∞ on the right side of x=4 asymptote and curving towards the right but never crossing y = 0?
 
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Is this how it should look? Because I was looking through my notes and it says that if you have an even exponent then the graph will look different?
 
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Schaus said:
View attachment 111391 Is this how it should look? Because I was looking through my notes and it says that if you have an even exponent then the graph will look different?
Looks good to me.
Here's a handy trick: p(x)/q(x) = p(x)q(x)/q(x)2, so, where defined, has the same sign as p(x)q(x). Listing all the roots of pq in order quickly shows the domains in which it is positive and which negative.
 
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View attachment 111391 Is this how it should look? Because I was looking through my notes and it says that if you have an even exponent then the graph will look different?
It is correct. Remember, at great x values, both positive and negative, the function looks similar to 2/x (even exponent in the denominator but you have x in the numerator, too.)
Now: what is the range of the function?
 
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Range has to be y ∈ R because it crosses the horizontal asymptote, I believe.
 
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Range has to be y ∈ R because it crosses the horizontal asymptote, I believe.
Yes y takes all real values. It has y=0 as asymptote, but takes the value y=0 at x=3.
 
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Thanks for all your help!
 

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