Assume or discover? Is this a false dichotomy?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of assumption and discovery in the context of scientific theories, particularly in physics. Participants explore whether the distinction between assuming and discovering is a false dichotomy and how prediction fits into this framework.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that Dirac's discovery of the positron and string theorists' identification of supersymmetry and extra dimensions exemplify discoveries arising from established theories rather than mere assumptions.
  • Others suggest that the terms "assume" and "discover" are often used inconsistently, leading to confusion about their meanings in scientific discourse.
  • A participant notes that the distinction between prediction and assumption is clearer when theories are formulated axiomatically, which is not the case for many physical theories, including string theory.
  • Another viewpoint raises concerns about the methods used to make discoveries, questioning whether predictions based on guesses can truly lead to valid knowledge.

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Participants express differing views on whether the distinction between assumption and discovery is meaningful or misleading. There is no consensus on how to define these terms or their implications for scientific practice.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the formulation of theories, particularly regarding the axiomatic approach, and the challenges in distinguishing between predictions and assumptions in non-axiomatic frameworks.

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Assume or discover?
//Dirac did not assume the positron; he discovered it to be a consequence of an equation that described the well-established electon

Similarly, string theorists did not assume supersymmetry, extra dimensions, the dualities of M-theory or the myriad possible universes; they discovered them to be consequences of a theory that subsumes empirically well-established features such as general relativity, gauge field theory and chiral quarks and leptons.//

Is assume or discover a false dichotomy? Is it leaving out prediction?
 
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Lucy Meadows said:
Is assume or discover a false dichotomy? Is it leaving out prediction?

It is a false dichotomy, created mostly because not everyone uses the words the same way.

When you discover that a theory says something should happen, and it does... Is that a prediction or did we just assume that our theory was correct... and it was.
 
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The difference between prediction and assumption is clearly defined only when the theory is formulated in an axiomatic form. The theories in physics are rarely formulated in an axiomatic form. Quantum mechanics can be formulated in an axiomatic form, to some extent quantum field theory can also be formulated in an axiomatic form, but, as far as I am aware, at the moment nobody has a clue how to formulate string theory in an axiomatic form.

A discovery is something else. Discovery may be a new important assumption, or a new important prediction that follows from the assumption, or may be dis-covered by an experiment, or even by accident.
 
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By what method are we using to make a discovery? Predicting effects (guess) in order to validate theories (another guess) can only give us knowledge of a guess regardless of repetition.
 

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