At most explicit time-dependent operator

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a term from a physics exercise related to time-dependent operators in the Schrödinger picture. Participants explore the meaning of "at most explicitly time-dependent operator" and its implications for the Hamiltonian of a harmonic oscillator.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the translation and meaning of "at most explicitly time-dependent operator in Schrödinger picture."
  • Another participant requests more context to better understand the problem.
  • A participant mentions the Hamiltonian for a harmonic oscillator and the need to find the time-dependence of an operator defined in terms of the time-development operator.
  • There is a discussion about the Heisenberg equation of motion, with participants noting the inclusion of a time derivative term for the operator in the Schrödinger picture.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the nature of time-dependence in the Schrödinger picture, traditionally understood as having time-independent operators.
  • One participant suggests that intrinsic time-dependence could explain the term "explicit zeit-abhängig," particularly in cases involving external fields or rotating coordinate systems.

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Participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of time-dependent operators in the Schrödinger picture, with no consensus reached on the meaning of the term in the context of the exercise.

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Participants note that the problem lacks additional details about the operator in question, which limits their ability to derive a closed form solution.

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Hi.

I have a little language problem. I'm studying in Germany, and my German is... nicht sehr gut, so I sometimes have problems understanding the exercises. The one I'm having issues right now has a part which says einen höchstens explizit zeitabhängigen Ope-rator I am Schrödingerbild.

My translation for this is "An at most explicitly time-dependent operator in Schrödinger picture." This doesn't make any sense: how can a Schrödinger-picture operator be time dependent? And what does it mean by "at most explicitly"

Thank you for your time.

PD: if you happen to speak German I'd would appreciate if you checked my translation.

PPD: I know I could simply ask the teacher, but... I should have made this exercise way earlier, and I'm kind of ashamed to openly tell him that I am doing it now, so I'd like to avoid it if possible.
 
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A bit more context would help.
 
There is not much. I am given the Hamiltonian for an Harmonic oscillator and I am told to find the time-dependence of ##O_H= U^{\dagger}(t, t_0)O_SU(t, t_0)##, where ##O_S## is the mentioned "at most explicitly time-dependent operator in Schrödinger picture.", and U is the time-development operator.

Maybe I am to just state the Heisenberg equation of motion for O?
 
The Heisenberg equation of motion is ##\frac{dO_H}{dt} = \frac{i}{\hbar}[H_H, O_H] + \frac{\partial O_S}{\partial t}##. I think he's saying, keep the ##\frac{\partial O_S}{\partial t}## term.
 
Bill_K said:
The Heisenberg equation of motion is ##\frac{dO_H}{dt} = \frac{i}{\hbar}[H_H, O_H] + \frac{\partial O_S}{\partial t}##. I think he's saying, keep the ##\frac{\partial O_S}{\partial t}## term.

I've never seen it in that form. I don't understand it, isn't the point of the Schrödinger picture that operators are time-independent?
 
carllacan said:
I've never seen it in that form. I don't understand it, isn't the point of the Schrödinger picture that operators are time-independent?
Usually, but not always.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg_picture#Mathematical_details

Ballentine p 91 said:
"The operator could have intrinsic time dependence if it represented the potential of a variable external field, or if it were the component of a tensor defined with respect to a rotating coordinate system."
 
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