At what redshift does the density of M > density of DM

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The discussion revolves around determining the redshift at which the density of matter exceeds the density of dark energy in the context of cosmology, specifically within the Lambda-CDM model framework. Participants reference equations related to critical density and the behavior of different energy components in the universe.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between density parameters and critical density, with attempts to manipulate equations to find conditions under which matter density equals dark energy density. There are questions about the role of Hubble's constant and the scale factor in these calculations.

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Some participants have provided references to external resources and equations that may aid in understanding the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of how to equate the densities and the implications of the scale factor on redshift. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the relationship between different density components and the assumptions inherent in the equations being used. There is mention of potential discrepancies in the thread title compared to the problem presented in the linked image.

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Here is the problem link picture http://i.imgur.com/0BtcXJk.png

I know that omega=density/critical density
so I know I can find the value of all of those.
DE is dark energy and M is matter (I'm pretty sure).

I assume I have to sub that formula into equation 1, and then rearrange it to create a greater than sign somehow. I think I might have to involve Hubble's constant = a'/a too, to get rid of the (a0/a)^3I really don't know what to do after that. Any help would be great thanks
 
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Phil1093 said:
Here is the problem link picture http://i.imgur.com/0BtcXJk.png
Hi Phil:

Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model , under "Cosmic expansion history", the 6th equation. What this tells you is that the sum of the Ωs under the squareroot is always = 1.

From the two equations in the PNG you cited, you should be able to calculate the value for w, which is probably 1.
From the first equation in the PNG, you should see that k = 0 and Ωk = 0.

You also need to calculate H(a) since that is the value of H you need to use in calculating ρc for the value of a that will satisfy
ρM = ρDE. Also keep in mind that ρDE is a constant (doesn't vary with a).BTW, the title of this thread doesn't match the problem in the PNG.

I hope this is helpful,

Regards,
Buzz
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
Hi Phil:

Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model , under "Cosmic expansion history", the 6th equation. What this tells you is that the sum of the Ωs under the squareroot is always = 1.

From the two equations in the PNG you cited, you should be able to calculate the value for w, which is probably 1.
From the first equation in the PNG, you should see that k = 0 and Ωk = 0.

You also need to calculate H(a) since that is the value of H you need to use in calculating ρc for the value of a that will satisfy
ρM = ρDE. Also keep in mind that ρDE is a constant (doesn't vary with a).BTW, the title of this thread doesn't match the problem in the PNG.

I hope this is helpful,

Regards,
Buzz
Thanks, I think I understand it, I have worked out H(a) too. I'm just stuck on how to make ρM = ρDE. As well as the formulae that associates the scale factor with z.

Thanks
Regards
Phil1093
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi Phil:

Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model , under "Cosmic expansion history", the 6th equation. What this tells you is that the sum of the Ωs under the squareroot is always = 1.

From the two equations in the PNG you cited, you should be able to calculate the value for w, which is probably 1.
From the first equation in the PNG, you should see that k = 0 and Ωk = 0.

You also need to calculate H(a) since that is the value of H you need to use in calculating ρc for the value of a that will satisfy
ρM = ρDE. Also keep in mind that ρDE is a constant (doesn't vary with a).BTW, the title of this thread doesn't match the problem in the PNG.

I hope this is helpful,

Regards,
Buzz
you can ignore my previous reply, I think I have it. Thank you
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi Phil:

Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda-CDM_model , under "Cosmic expansion history", the 6th equation. What this tells you is that the sum of the Ωs under the squareroot is always = 1.

From the two equations in the PNG you cited, you should be able to calculate the value for w, which is probably 1.
From the first equation in the PNG, you should see that k = 0 and Ωk = 0.

You also need to calculate H(a) since that is the value of H you need to use in calculating ρc for the value of a that will satisfy
ρM = ρDE. Also keep in mind that ρDE is a constant (doesn't vary with a).BTW, the title of this thread doesn't match the problem in the PNG.

I hope this is helpful,

Regards,
Buzz
I worked out the answer for z to be around 0.33, does that sound about right?
 
Phil1093 said:
I worked out the answer for z to be around 0.33, does that sound about right?
Hi Phil:

Yes.

There is a simpler way to get the answer than using all my hints. I thought having you look at a broader picture would be helpful preparation for what the course is likely to cover later.

The value of a you want corresponds to ρDE = ρM = ρM0 / a3.

Regards,
Buzz
 
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