Does space have its own density?

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The discussion centers on whether space possesses its own mass density distinct from the mass density of particles within it. It references a mass density of the vacuum estimated at approximately 6.5 x 10-27 kg/m3, derived from the accelerating expansion of the universe. However, a key point made is that the cosmological constant, often associated with this density, is not equivalent to mass and cannot be accurately described as a "density of space." The conversation also touches on the relationship between dark matter and the gravitational interaction with ordinary matter.

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Does space have its own density?
i.e. a mass density distinct from the mass density of 'particles' in it?
or may it have a uniform density of some kind of vast particle(s)?
If so, would the effect on observable masses largely cancel out?

One answer from https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=22498 :
"Q: Mass of vacuum? - Varun (age 15) India
A: So far as we can tell from the accelerating expansion of the universe, the mass density of the vacuum is about 6.5*10-27 kg/m3. If, however, some other effect is causing that acceleration, then we don't know the answer. Mike W. (published on 05/03/2013)"

Or could the density of space be somehow concentrated in the cosmic
vicinity of 'ordinary' matter and thus be a large part of 'dark matter'?
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter (as last edited 2018/3/10):
"At present, we can only detect and study dark matter because it interacts gravitationally with "ordinary" matter. … Many different kinds of evidence agree on the extent of dark matter in the observable universe. … The primary evidence for dark matter is that calculations show that many galaxies would fly apart instead of rotating, or would not move as they do, if they did not contain a large amount of matter beyond that which we can see."

Could particles comparable in size to galaxies be involved? Or just one universal particle?
I thank Alex Dodson for proposing that space has a density of its own.
David Dodson, 2018/311
 
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Hi @David Dodson and welcome to PF!

David Dodson said:
Does space have its own density?

No. The reference you give is a bit misleading; the value it gives is what you get if you take our best current value for the cosmological constant and convert it to a mass density. But the cosmological constant is not "mass". It's a different kind of thing, and it can't really be described as a "density of space".

For the rest of your post, please review the PF rules, particularly the ones regarding personal speculations.

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