Atomic Hydrogen: Solving Homework on Thanksgiving - Help Needed

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to atomic hydrogen, specifically focusing on the quantization of angular momentum and energy levels in hydrogen-like atoms. The original poster is attempting to derive the relationship between the orbital quantum number \( l \) and the principal quantum number \( n \), particularly aiming to show that the maximum value of \( l \) is \( n-1 \).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply semiclassical arguments and quantization rules to derive the relationship between \( l \) and \( n \). Some participants suggest substituting known relationships from Bohr's model to further the derivation. Others express uncertainty about how to manipulate the equations to arrive at the desired conclusion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and suggestions for approaching the problem. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the substitution of variables and the consideration of inequalities in the context of the equations being discussed.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. The original poster has expressed difficulty in progressing from their current understanding and is seeking clarification on specific steps in the derivation.

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I spent my Thanksgiving trying to solve my homework and I will need some help:

1)For fixed electron energy ,the orbital quantum number l is limited to n-1.We can obtain this result from a semiclassical argument using the fact that the larges angular momentum describes circular orbits,where all kinetic energy is in orbital form.For hydrogen-like atoms U(x)=-(Zke^2)/r
and the energy in circular orbits becomes:

E=((|L|^2)/2mr^2)-(Zke^2)/r

Quantize this realtion using the rules of |L|=(l(l+1))^0.5 and E=-((ke^2)Z^2)/(2an^2),together with the Bohr result for the allowed values of r,to show that the largest integer value of l consistent with total energy i s lmax=n-1


solution:

ke^2)Z^2)/(2an^2)=((|L|^2)/2mr^2)-(Zke^2)/r and substituting |L|=(l(l+1))^0.5


ke^2)Z^2)/(2an^2)=(l(l+1))/2mr^2)-(Zke^2)/r

but i don't know what to do after this

please can somebody help me
 
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You have to substitute for the r versus n dependence as given by Bohr.

Daniel.
 
When I use formula for Bohrs radius

my equation is :

n=(l(l+1))^05

and i don't know how i can from here get

lmax=n-1
 
You should have gotten an inequation. See if l_max=n will fit into your equation.

Daniel.
 

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