Atomic Mass of Neon: Explained for High School Chemistry

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The discussion centers around the atomic mass of Neon, particularly the discrepancy between the expected mass based on protons and neutrons and the actual atomic mass listed on the periodic table. Participants explore concepts related to atomic structure, isotopes, and the significance of electron mass.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the atomic mass of Neon, questioning why it is listed as 20.18 instead of the expected 20 based on its protons and neutrons.
  • Another participant explains that the periodic table lists a weighted average of the isotopes of Neon, noting the existence of three stable isotopes: Ne-20, Ne-21, and Ne-22.
  • A participant comments on the insignificance of electron mass in the overall atomic mass, stating that it is generally ignored due to its small contribution compared to protons and neutrons.

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Participants present differing views on the factors contributing to atomic mass, with some focusing on isotopes and others on the negligible mass of electrons. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the clarity of the initial explanation provided by the teacher.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the understanding of isotopes and atomic mass that may not be fully addressed, and the discussion reflects varying levels of knowledge among participants.

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I'm a high school kid taking chemistry, and I'm confused about how atoms get their listed mass. Take Neon for instance, it's got 10 protons, 10 neutrons, and 10 electroncs, it's normally not an ion or isotopic. So from what my teacher's explained, Neon shold have an Atomic Mass of 10 from the protons, 10 from the neutrons, and around .005 from 10 electroncs. However, on the periodic table of elements, it says Neon has an atomic mass of 20.18. So where do these extra .175 AMU's come from? Has he over-simplified something and Protons or Neutrons really weigh a bit more than exactly 1 AMU, or is there something else about Atoms that gives them more weight than they should have?
 
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The periodic table usually lists a weighted average of the isotopes of a substance.

Neon has three stable isotopes Ne-20 (90.48%), Ne-21 (0.27%) and Ne-22 (9.25%) the atomic weight is a weighted average of the atomic massess of these isotopes.
 
Gracias.

I wish my chemistry could have answered my question like that instead of "That's tomorrow's lesson", would have taken less time than it did for me to try to get him to answer the question.
 
wasteofo2 said:
and around .005 from 10 electroncs.
genrarly, we ignore the mass of the electrons because they are so insignificantly small, you would need 1835 electrons to equal the mass of 1 proton, and you can't get that much on a single atom because you would normally need that many protons to cancel out the charge, and the periodic table does quite reach 1835 elements.
 

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