Atomic Nucleus: How Does It Get Energy?

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The discussion revolves around the question of how the nucleus of an atom acquires energy, touching on concepts related to nuclear fission and fusion, as well as comparisons to chemical reactions like burning wood. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding energy production in nuclear processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that nuclear fission and fusion produce energy by converting mass into energy, as described by E=mc², where the total mass of the resulting particles is less than that of the original nuclei.
  • Others argue that the concept of converting mass into energy is not unique to nuclear reactions, as it also applies to chemical reactions, such as burning wood, where binding energy changes occur.
  • It is proposed that nuclear energy is released by rearranging neutrons and protons into different configurations, resulting in a higher total binding energy after the reaction compared to before.
  • Some participants express confusion about how the explanations provided relate to the original question regarding how nuclei "make" energy, particularly in the context of power reactors.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the original question or how the responses address it. Multiple competing views on the nature of energy production in nuclear processes remain present.

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The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the interpretation of the original question and the applicability of concepts across different types of energy production, without resolving these ambiguities.

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How does the nucleas of an atom get energy?
 
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I don't fully understand your question.

Nuclear fission and nuclear fusion both produce enegry by converting some of the mass of the nuclei involved into energy. Specifically the total mass of the resulting particles is less than that of the original, where the difference becomes energy from E=mc2.
 
mathman said:
I don't fully understand your question.

Nuclear fission and nuclear fusion both produce enegry by converting some of the mass of the nuclei involved into energy. Specifically the total mass of the resulting particles is less than that of the original, where the difference becomes energy from E=mc2.

This is true, but it is also true for burning wood, for instance. There's nothing special about nuclear energy "converting mass into energy": every form of increasing binding energy will "reduce mass" and "produce energy". Only, in nuclear reactions, the release of energy is so large as compared to others, that this universal effect becomes measurable.

Nuclear energy is released by re-arranging the neutrons and protons into different conglomerates (nucleae), in such a way that the total binding energy of the system AFTER is larger than the total binding energy BEFORE, and the difference is liberated, in the form of kinetic energy of the parts (ultimately becoming heat), or in the form of gamma rays.

This is exactly the same as what happens when you burn something: the atoms re-arrange in different molecular structures in such a way that the total binding energy of the molecules (usually CO2 and H2O) AFTER is higher than the total binding energy of the combustible material (and oxygen) BEFORE.
 
vanesch said:
This is true, but it is also true for burning wood, for instance. There's nothing special about nuclear energy "converting mass into energy": every form of increasing binding energy will "reduce mass" and "produce energy". Only, in nuclear reactions, the release of energy is so large as compared to others, that this universal effect becomes measurable.

Nuclear energy is released by re-arranging the neutrons and protons into different conglomerates (nucleae), in such a way that the total binding energy of the system AFTER is larger than the total binding energy BEFORE, and the difference is liberated, in the form of kinetic energy of the parts (ultimately becoming heat), or in the form of gamma rays.

This is exactly the same as what happens when you burn something: the atoms re-arrange in different molecular structures in such a way that the total binding energy of the molecules (usually CO2 and H2O) AFTER is higher than the total binding energy of the combustible material (and oxygen) BEFORE.

What you say is true, but how does this address the original question?
 
mathman said:
What you say is true, but how does this address the original question?

As the original question wasn't clear, I addressed it in the same way as your answer, namely how do nucleae "make" energy (in a power reactor for instance).
 

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