Atomic Nucleus Spin: Theory & Explanation

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The discussion centers on the theoretical basis for the spin of atomic nuclei, emphasizing that the total spin arises from the angular momentum and spin of individual nucleons, which can be complex due to their energy levels. While pairs of nucleons typically cancel each other's spin, unpaired nucleons can contribute to the overall spin, as illustrated by Vanadium-50, which has a spin of 6+. The conversation also touches on the challenges of applying Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD) to nuclear physics, noting that effective models are often used due to the complexity of large nuclei. The Schrödinger equation can describe nucleon interactions, but determining nuclear potentials is complicated and requires experimental validation. Overall, the intricacies of nuclear spin and the limitations of theoretical models highlight the ongoing challenges in understanding nuclear physics.
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The value is the sum from the individual nucleons: their angular momentum and their spin.
Both protons and neutrons have energy levels similar to the electrons, but their energy structure is more complicated. Pairs always cancel out, but you can have a single proton or neutron (or both) leading to the total spin. If you know the structure of the energy levels, you can predict the state they are in, and therefore the total spin.
 
I agree with what you say except for "pairs always cancel out". To pick a nucleus at random, Vanadium-50 is spin 6+. Lots of aligned pairs.
 
Vanadium 50 is odd/odd, you have two unpaired nucleons there. That is the "or both" case I mentioned.
 
That gets you to spin-1. It's 6+.

Pierce, to get back to your question, the answer is "yes", but it's not simple. The short answer is that you have shells like you do in atoms, but because of the fact that the nuclear interaction is more complicated than electromagnetism, the order in which the shells fill moves around quite a bit, and you can end up with bizarre situations like 12 of 50 nuclei all spinning in the same direction.
 
Is this kind of stuff studied in QCD?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
That gets you to spin-1. It's 6+.
Doesn't that come from orbital angular momentum? Okay, that's interesting. That would probably require weird energy levels.

@pierce15: QCD is more relevant "inside" hadrons. Nuclear physics uses effective models as a full QCD analysis gets too complex for large nuclei.
 
As mfb said, it's too hard to study a system like V-50 in QCD. It has 150 valence quarks.
 
So do are all the protons and neutrons (or individual quarks) in a nucleus described by orbitals?
 
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Yes, the nuclei are in orbitals, but predicting these orbitals is harder than it is in chemistry.
 
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Does the Schrödinger equation then describe the system? If so, what would the potential be for ionized deuterium?
 
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It's not "hard" to study QCD for nuclear physics... I'd better say it's meaningless... QCD stops working perturbatively at the nucleus range [energies]. So your results are not predicting at all...

Yes the Schrod. equation can describe the system [because the nucleons are not relativistic]. You can look for the potential... it depends on what interactions you allow... eg some standard potential well for the nuclear force, maybe spin-orbit coupling, spin-spin coupling etc... The nuclear potentials in general can be very difficult to be determined, they can contain many terms, some coming from "theoretical" background, others coming straightforward from experiments, and then other experiments are needed to determine your parameters.
 
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ChrisVer said:
It's not "hard" to study QCD for nuclear physics... I'd better say it's meaningless... QCD stops working perturbatively at the nucleus range [energies]. So your results are not predicting at all...

That would be true if the only way to do a calculation was perturbation theory. But it's not. There's also the lattice.
 

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