Atomic Vibration: Disproving the Theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the claim that thoughts can influence the crystallization of water, with participants exploring the scientific validity of this theory and the mechanisms purportedly involved. The conversation includes speculative ideas about atomic vibrations and the Quantum Zeno effect, as well as challenges to the original claim.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about the theory that thoughts can affect water crystallization, stating that there is no known mechanism to support such an effect.
  • Another participant humorously suggests using the Quantum Zeno effect to freeze water by merely looking at it, proposing a fantastical interaction between thoughts and physical states.
  • There is a call for references that substantiate claims about the interaction between thoughts and water, emphasizing the need for empirical evidence rather than speculative theories.
  • Some participants engage in light-hearted banter about the implications of using brain waves to manipulate water states, framing it as a humorous concept rather than a serious scientific inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of the original claim regarding thoughts influencing water crystallization. While some express skepticism and challenge the claim, others engage in speculative and humorous discussions without reaching a consensus.

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The discussion includes speculative ideas that lack empirical support and relies on humor to address the original claim. There are no established scientific references provided to substantiate the claims made by participants.

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Hello all,

I'm having a little trouble researching this as I'm not sure what the exact field of study is called, googling Atomic Vibration doesn't come up with much. Basically I am looking to disprove a theory (with hard science) that thoughts can affect the crystalisation of water. The argument that is being used is that 'everything' vibrates so they don't see why the two can't interact. I know the theory is absolutely crap, and I know there must be some physics that disprove it, but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is! Any help would be appreciated.
 
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The onus is not on you to disprove their theory. The onus is on them to prove that the effect is real. They can't do this.

You don't have to have a PhD in physics to know that thinking good thoughts won't influence water crystallization.

There's no known mechanism that could explain such an effect. This doesn't by itself disprove the claim- but unless they can replicate the effects under controlled conditions then there's not much point spending time on it.
 
we can view a persons thoughts on a display panel... sort of... and scientists have invented a neural interface computer chip. why couldn't we simply use this tech to suck the energy from water with brain frequency? are they trying to simply stare the water into freezing?
 
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Sure, why not? Use Quantum Zeno to stop the water molecules by looking at them, thereby freezing water solid with your stare. Then microwave it back to liquid with your brain waves.
 
clugosi said:
we can view a persons thoughts on a display panel... sort of... and scientists have invented a neural interface computer chip. why couldn't we simply use this tech to suck the energy from water with brain frequency? are they trying to simply stare the water into freezing?

K^2 said:
Sure, why not? Use Quantum Zeno to stop the water molecules by looking at them, thereby freezing water solid with your stare. Then microwave it back to liquid with your brain waves.

I will remind you of the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374" that you had agreed to. Pay particular attention to our policy on speculative theory.

If you think you have references to back this up, please post them. And when I said "references", I don't mean papers or textbooks referring to established concepts. Rather, I mean references whereby these concepts are actually used to explain the phenomenon being described.

Zz.
 
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I think K^2 is joking. :-p
 
ZapperZ said:
I will remind you of the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374" that you had agreed to. Pay particular attention to our policy on speculative theory.

If you think you have references to back this up, please post them. And when I said "references", I don't mean papers or textbooks referring to established concepts. Rather, I mean references whereby these concepts are actually used to explain the phenomenon being described.

Zz.

I think your job is getting to your ZapperZ, that was a joke, and a damned good one.

Microwave with your brain waves, heh.
 
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K^2 said:
Sure, why not? Use Quantum Zeno to stop the water molecules by looking at them, thereby freezing water solid with your stare. Then microwave it back to liquid with your brain waves.

This is a great premise for a supervillain.
 
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Nyaaa Nyaa - You can't prove nothing isn't true so there! :-p
 

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