Attack on Epoxide: What Did I Do Wrong?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanism of an attack on an epoxide, specifically focusing on the role of an alkoxide in the reaction and the implications for carbocation formation. Participants are analyzing the correct answer to a question related to this mechanism, exploring the nature of the reaction as either an SN2 process or involving carbocation intermediates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the marked option should be correct because the alkoxide (oEt-) will attack the carbon on the epoxide, leading to a stable carbocation.
  • Another participant asserts that no carbocation is formed in this reaction, indicating it is an SN2 mechanism.
  • A third participant questions the possibility of carbocation formation when an anion attacks, suggesting that this is not compatible with the reaction mechanism.
  • A later reply introduces a specific example (epichlorohydrin) and prompts consideration of which carbon is more susceptible to attack by the alkoxide, emphasizing the strain in the epoxide structure and the leaving group properties of oxygen compared to chlorine.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the formation of a carbocation and the nature of the reaction mechanism, with multiple competing views on how the attack on the epoxide occurs.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the stability of intermediates and the specific conditions under which the reaction takes place, as well as the definitions of the terms used in the discussion.

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Reaction on epoxide
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Electrophile attack
According to me the option that is marked should be the answer because the oEt- will attack the carbon on the epoxide which forms the stable carbocation but in the answer key the answer is given to be d please tell me what i did wrong
 

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No carbocation formed, this is SN2.
 
When an anion attacks, no carboCATION can be formed, right?
 
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So this is probably going to scramble your noggin a bit... Number the carbons on the starting epoxide (epichlorohydrin) 1 thru 3 starting at the carbon attached to the chlorine.

Which carbon is most susceptible to attack by the alkoxide? C1? C3? Remember that the highly strained 3-member oxirane makes oxygen a much better leaving group than Cl-.
 

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