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Automotive Automobiles - why not to remain in 1st gear?

  1. Sep 22, 2012 #1
    Automobiles -- why not to remain in 1st gear?

    why not to remain in 1st gear ??
     
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  3. Sep 22, 2012 #2

    russ_watters

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    Re: Automobiles

    Welcome to PF!

    1. Car engines have a limited RPM range, so they wouldn't be able to go fast in only 1st gear.
    2. Engine friction is dependent on engine speed, so it is higher the lower the gear.
     
  4. Sep 22, 2012 #3
    Re: Automobiles

    Since the first gear gives me the most acceleration why do I need to switch gears?
     
  5. Sep 22, 2012 #4

    russ_watters

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    Re: Automobiles

    Did you read either of the answers I gave you?
     
  6. Sep 22, 2012 #5
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    forget about the 2nd reason you gave because it is inevitable...but cant we increase the range of rpm
     
  7. Sep 22, 2012 #6
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    if no why cant we inc. rpm of engine
     
  8. Sep 22, 2012 #7

    russ_watters

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    First of all, please speak in correct English and complete sentences. It is difficult to understand when you write so poorly.

    Second, please be more descriptive. It is difficult to understand you if you won't explain yourself.

    Third, if you want to learn, you can't just discard answers you don't like. Both answers I gave you are real.

    Now: no, RPM can't be increased indefinitely, partly because of #2 (the engine will burn itself up because of the increased friction), partly because the airflow into and out of the engine have to increase with RPM and they are limited by the size of the intake and exhaust pipes, valve ports, etc.
     
  9. Sep 22, 2012 #8
    Re: Automobiles

    Thanks for the reply.
    I'll keep in mind to write full sentences
    In 2nd reason you said something about Engine speed,so what actually engine speed here means ??(Are you talking about rpm only or something else)
     
  10. Sep 22, 2012 #9

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    Engine speed is expressed in RPM, yes.
     
  11. Sep 23, 2012 #10
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    thanks sir
     
  12. Oct 2, 2012 #11
    Re: Automobiles -- why not to remain in 1st gear?

    On a basic level:

    "Why change out of first gear?"
    "To go faster than 30mph"

    For any engine speed, the parts inside the engine are moving. As well as moving, they also have a mass. Given a mass and velocity, they have forces. The faster you spin the engine, the higher the forces get until eventually, something breaks. Added to this is the fact that gasoline engines can only produce torque over a narrow range of speeds, so most car engines will be limited to around 8000rpm because of these factors. You then need the gearbox to provide a tractable thrust curve between 0mph and whatever the cars power and aerodynamics dictate as the maximum speed. If you used one gear for this the car would stall when trying to pull away, just try it for yourself using 5th gear to pull away!

    In comparison, something like the Tesla Roadster's electric motor will generate useable torque from 0rpm to 14,000rpm, so it only needs one gear and can produce the same sort of thrust curve as an SI engine with a gearbox.
     
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