Can You Handle the Speed and Thrills of Motorcycle Racing?

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The discussion revolves around motorcycle racing, specifically focusing on the experiences and techniques involved in both roadracing and trials riding. Participants share their personal experiences, skills, and insights related to different types of motorcycle riding, including speed, control, and equipment used in trials competitions.

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  • Some participants express admiration for the skill involved in trials riding, noting the impressive control required at low speeds.
  • One participant shares their experience of roadracing motorcycles, highlighting the thrill of reaching speeds of 180 mph and the excitement of racing on tracks like Daytona.
  • Another participant discusses the importance of tire pressure in trials riding, explaining that rear tires are often run at very low pressures (5-6 psi) to enhance performance on varied surfaces.
  • There is a mention of the specific design characteristics of trials tires that allow for such low pressures, including their radial casing and tubeless application.
  • Participants inquire about the specific classes and tracks associated with high-speed motorcycle racing, suggesting a curiosity about the competitive aspects of the sport.

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Participants generally share a mutual appreciation for both roadracing and trials riding, but there are varying perspectives on the techniques and experiences associated with each discipline. The discussion includes both personal anecdotes and technical insights, indicating that multiple views remain without a clear consensus.

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Participants reference specific experiences and technical details that may depend on individual riding styles, equipment choices, and personal preferences. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of each riding discipline or the implications of tire pressure on performance.

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Readers interested in motorcycle racing, trials riding, and the technical aspects of motorcycle performance may find this discussion insightful.

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Amazing !



Dedicated to @berkeman :smile:Dave
 
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Wow, somebody's been practicing a lot. :woot:
 
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Trials riding is so impressive! I used to roadrace motorcycles, and as thrilling as it was hitting 180 mph before banging down the gears and throwing it into the corner as hard as you can, I've always had an extreme appreciation for the super slow speed control of Trials riders.
 
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davenn said:
Dedicated to @berkeman :smile:
Thanks Dave. I've always enjoyed watching Trials riders. The exhibitions are amazing, and the skill of the riders in Trials competitions is even more amazing, since they are dealing with natural obstacles that change event-to-event.

I don't ride much motocross practice any more, and the local off-road motorcycle park (Metcalf Motorcycle County Park) has a nice Trials course that they've been improving over the years. My next dirtbike may well be a Trials bike. It would be a lot of fun to try to learn, even just the basics... :smile:

A pic of the Trials course at Metcalf on their FB page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/metcalfmotorcyclepark/?ref=br_rs

Sklossmonster said:
I used to roadrace motorcycles, and as thrilling as it was hitting 180 mph
Wow, what class and what tracks? 180mph must be MotoGP at a couple of the more open tracks, or maybe Daytona Superbikes before they changed the rules?
 
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Taking a closer look at those hops, it looks like it's essential to keep the rear tire in a state such that most of the air is pumped out.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
Taking a closer look at those hops, it looks like it's essential to keep the rear tire in a state such that most of the air is pumped out.
Correct. Especially in the back tire, you only run 5-6psi. Dirtbike rims often have "Rim Locks", which tie the tire to the rim with a clamp. This is done so the tire does not spin on the rim under acceleration or braking with the very low pressures you run off-road. More info at this link:

https://www.dirtrider.com/gauging-pressure#page-3
5-6 PSI/0.34 – 0.413 bar
Trials tires are the only off-road tires that are designed to run at such a low psi and that is only when they are properly fitted on tubeless trials type rims. The reason such a low psi can be accommodated is due to the build characteristic of the tire. Generally the trials tire consists of radial casing design and contains an interlinear in the casing which allows for tubeless application. The radial tubeless design incorporates a different style bead seat and softer sidewall construction. The low pressure allows for the flexibility to maximize the footprint and mold the tire to the riding surface. By design the speeds of trials are lower and this should be kept in mind when cross applying the tires for general off-road riding.
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berkeman said:
Wow, what class and what tracks? 180mph must be MotoGP at a couple of the more open tracks, or maybe Daytona Superbikes before they changed the rules?
Daytona, or as I like to call it, Hammer of the Gods! On a race-prepped Honda 1000rr, nothing like it on this Earth, and I've sky dived, bungee jumped, etc. It was just National Club Racing, but what a thrill stretching the legs on an open class two-wheeled rocket, something I'll never forget and always treasure. Just wish I'd been more into physics back then!
 
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