-b.2.2.26 IVP min value y'=2(1+x)(1+y^2); y(0)=0

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The discussion revolves around solving the initial value problem (IVP) given by the differential equation $y'=2(1+x)(1+y^2)$ with the initial condition $y(0)=0$. Participants explore the solution and investigate where the solution attains its minimum value.

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  • One participant presents a solution to the IVP, arriving at $y=\tan(2x-x^2)$ and expresses uncertainty about the minimum value of the solution.
  • Another participant suggests that to find the minimum or maximum value of the function, the derivative should be set to zero, leading to the conclusion that $x=-1$ is a critical point.
  • A third participant elaborates on the second derivative test to determine whether $x=-1$ corresponds to a minimum or maximum, concluding that $y''$ is positive at this point, indicating a minimum.

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Participants generally agree on the method of finding critical points and the application of the second derivative test, but there is uncertainty regarding the minimum value of the solution as the first participant questions the book's answer.

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There is an implicit assumption that the solution $y=\tan(2x-x^2)$ is valid throughout the relevant domain, but the discussion does not clarify any limitations or conditions under which this solution holds.

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Solve the IVP $y'=2(1+x)(1+y^2),\quad y(0)=0$
$\begin{array}{ll}
\textit{separate variables}&
\displaystyle
\left(\dfrac{1}{1+y^2}\right)\ dy
=2(1+x)\ dx\\
\textit{integrate thru}&
\arctan \left(y\right)=2x+x^2+c\\
\textit{plug in x=0 and y=0}&
\arctan 0=0+c\\
&0=c\\
\textit{thus the equation is}&
y=\tan(2x-x^2)
\end{array}$
find where solution attains minimum value
ok wasn't sure about the tangent thing
book answer for min value is -1 but ?
 
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By the time you are studying differential equations, you should know that the standard method for finding a minimum, or maximum, value for a function is to set the derivative equal to 0.

Here, you are told immediately that the derivative is $y'= 2(1+ x)(1+ y^2)$. Setting that equal to 0, $2(1+ x)(1+ y^2)= 0$. Since $1+ y^2$ is never 0 we must have x= -1.
 
Add: To check whether x= -1 gives a max or min, use the "second derivative test". $y'= 2(x+ 1)(1+ y^2)$ so $y''= 2(1+ y^2)+ 2(1+ x)(2yy')$. At x= -1 that is $y''= 2(1+ y(-1)^2)$ which is positive no matter what y(-1) is. Therefore x= -1 gives a minimum.
 
ok ill try that on the next one
 

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