What Causes the Illusion of Planets Moving Backwards in the Sky?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Philosophaie
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Orbit Planets
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of Apparent Retrograde Motion, where planets appear to move backward in the sky due to differing orbital speeds between Earth and other planets, particularly Mars. Observations over thousands of years have revealed that planets create loops against the background starfield. The retrograde motion can be calculated using the orbital elements of Earth and Mars, with a simplified model assuming coplanar circular orbits yielding a rough estimate of retrograde periods, such as Mars' retrograde occurring approximately every 2.1 years.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of orbital mechanics and celestial motion
  • Familiarity with the concept of synodic and sidereal periods
  • Basic knowledge of plotting graphs and interpreting astronomical data
  • Experience with numerical methods for solving equations
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the mathematical principles behind Apparent Retrograde Motion
  • Learn about the synodic period and its calculation for different planets
  • Explore software tools for simulating planetary motion and orbits
  • Investigate the impact of minor planets like Ceres and Vesta on orbital dynamics
USEFUL FOR

Astronomy enthusiasts, astrophysicists, educators, and anyone interested in understanding celestial mechanics and the behavior of planets in our solar system.

Philosophaie
Messages
456
Reaction score
0
Backward "orbit" of the planets

How do you tell when a planet is going backwards in its "orbit" of the earth?

Do you have to plot a graph and pick out the points?

There must be an easier way!
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org


The planets were observed over thousands of years through the skies. Over time it was realized that they made odd little "loops" backwards through the sky against the background starfield. This occurred because the Earth is orbiting the Sun at a different rate than the other planets.

Now you can probably look it up online and find out when this will occur. I don't know if they have to calculate the orbits and all that or if it simply occurs on a repeating schedule over time.
 


The phenomenon is called Apparent Retrograde motion [1].

Conceptually, I think the easiest method would be to do as you propose and simply plot the position of, say, Mars in the sky of Earth as a function of time and note when the motion becomes retrograde.

However, from the orbital elements of Earth and Mars it should be theoretically possible calculate the apparent rate of the geocentric ecliptic longitude of Mars and (numerically) solve for times when this rate is zero. If you want to be very accurate, such calculations will probably be very long winded and be something you'd want a computer to do for you.

If you only want a rough estimate for when the rate is zero, I guess it should be possible to simplify the problem assuming coplanar circular orbits, maybe even so much that an analytic solution is easy. Also, in this simple model the time between when the rate is going positive (prograde motion) or negative (retrograde motion) repeats itself with the synodic period [2]. For instance, for Mars retrograde motion repeats itself after about 2.1 year.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_retrograde_motion
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_period#Relation_between_the_sidereal_and_synodic_periods
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
788
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
6K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K