Backwards Time Travel: Breaking the Heisenberg Principle?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of backward time travel and its potential implications on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Participants explore whether time travel could violate established physical laws, particularly in the context of measuring particle properties at different times. The conversation touches on theoretical, conceptual, and speculative aspects of time travel and quantum mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that measuring a particle's momentum and then its position after traveling back in time could imply a violation of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
  • Another participant questions whether the act of time travel would alter the behavior of the particle, proposing that reality might change due to the time traveler's actions.
  • A different viewpoint posits that if a time traveler does not interfere with the experiment, it may not break the uncertainty principle, raising questions about the nature of measurement.
  • Some participants argue that either time travel is possible and the uncertainty principle is invalid, or the principle holds and time travel is impossible, emphasizing the uncertainty surrounding the topic.
  • One participant mentions the idea of being a passive observer in the past, suggesting that this might allow for measurements without affecting the particle's state.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of general relativity and the arrow of time, arguing that backward time travel may be physically impossible due to the evolving nature of the universe.
  • Several participants reflect on the nature of observing past events, such as astronomical phenomena, and how this relates to the concept of time travel.
  • One participant expresses a strong skepticism about the feasibility of time travel, arguing that the unique orientations of celestial objects make it impossible to return to a specific point in time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the implications of backward time travel on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle or the feasibility of time travel itself. Some participants are skeptical about the possibility of time travel, while others entertain the idea that it could be theoretically possible.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of time, measurement, and the implications of quantum mechanics, which remain unresolved. The interplay between theoretical physics and speculative ideas about time travel is a central theme.

  • #31
This is always the risk whenever a topic like this starts. It appears that this thread is also heading in this direction.

May I remind everyone involved of the PF Guidelines that you have agreed to. In particular, our policy on speculative post is very clear:

Overly Speculative Posts:
One of the main goals of PF is to help students learn the current status of physics as practiced by the scientific community; accordingly, Physicsforums.com strives to maintain high standards of academic integrity. There are many open questions in physics, and we welcome discussion on those subjects provided the discussion remains intellectually sound. It is against our Posting Guidelines to discuss, in most of the PF forums, new or non-mainstream theories or ideas that have not been published in professional peer-reviewed journals or are not part of current professional mainstream scientific discussion. Posts deleted under this rule will be accompanied by a private message from a Staff member, and, if appropriate, an invitation to resubmit the post in accordance with our Independent Research Guidelines. Poorly formulated personal theories, unfounded challenges of mainstream science, and overt crackpottery will not be tolerated anywhere on the site. Linking to obviously "crank" or "crackpot" sites is prohibited.

If this thread dives further into such speculation, it will be locked, and subsequent thread on this "time travel" topic will be severely curtailed. So you decide the fate of this thread.

Zz.
 
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  • #32
ZapperZ said:
You need to be very careful in saying something like this. Many people have used that as a license to bastardize various aspects of physics, simply because "the laws of physics" permits such a thing. The laws of physics also permit a broken vase to reassemble itself back into its original form, but you don't see that happening, do you?

Science fiction also has a knack of having something that hasn't been shown to become science. We don't hear about those, do we? It's like a psychic highlighting only the things he/she predicted that actually happened. All the other misses, no one ever mentioned them.

So just because science, as we know it now, permitted them, and just because it is in science fiction novels, do not have any bearing on whether it is valid.

Zz.
Thx ZapperZ for your reply i quite understand your reasoning.
 

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