Backwards Time Travel: Breaking the Heisenberg Principle?

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The discussion centers on the implications of backwards time travel on the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP). Participants argue that if time travel were possible, it could potentially violate the HUP by allowing simultaneous measurement of a particle's position and momentum at the same time, which contradicts the principle's stipulation regarding the statistical spread of measurements. The conversation also touches on the philosophical and physical impossibility of time travel, emphasizing that the evolution of the universe and the unique orientation of celestial bodies make such travel unfeasible. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards time travel being a concept best suited for science fiction rather than a scientific reality.

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  • Basic knowledge of general relativity and its implications on time
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  • Concept of the arrow of time in physics
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  • #31
This is always the risk whenever a topic like this starts. It appears that this thread is also heading in this direction.

May I remind everyone involved of the PF Guidelines that you have agreed to. In particular, our policy on speculative post is very clear:

Overly Speculative Posts:
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If this thread dives further into such speculation, it will be locked, and subsequent thread on this "time travel" topic will be severely curtailed. So you decide the fate of this thread.

Zz.
 
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  • #32
ZapperZ said:
You need to be very careful in saying something like this. Many people have used that as a license to bastardize various aspects of physics, simply because "the laws of physics" permits such a thing. The laws of physics also permit a broken vase to reassemble itself back into its original form, but you don't see that happening, do you?

Science fiction also has a knack of having something that hasn't been shown to become science. We don't hear about those, do we? It's like a psychic highlighting only the things he/she predicted that actually happened. All the other misses, no one ever mentioned them.

So just because science, as we know it now, permitted them, and just because it is in science fiction novels, do not have any bearing on whether it is valid.

Zz.
Thx ZapperZ for your reply i quite understand your reasoning.
 

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