Ball valve plugging with solids, alternatives ideas to fix problem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of solids building up in 10” discharge ball valves on Mother Liquor Pumps, which prevents the valves from closing properly. Participants explore various potential solutions and alternatives to mitigate this issue, including valve design changes and operational strategies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes issues with solids that become concrete-like in the ball valves and suggests insulating the valve or replacing it with a ball valve that has a ball stop, though they express skepticism about its effectiveness.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the solids, asking for examples like sugar or cement, and raises concerns about gate valves potentially clogging and being slower to operate compared to ball valves.
  • A suggestion is made to use vibration to help clear the solids while material is flowing, though this is met with caution regarding the potential risks of induced vibration on the pump.
  • One participant proposes fitting a jacket to the valve and using steam to heat it, which could increase the solubility of the precipitated solids.
  • Another idea is to install two identical valves in parallel, allowing for periodic cycling of each valve to clean the buildup, while still maintaining flow control.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints and suggestions, indicating that there is no consensus on the best solution to the problem of solids buildup in the valves. Multiple competing ideas remain under consideration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the pressure requirements for the valves, with one stating the operating pressure is around 90 psig and designed for 150 psig. Concerns about the nature of the solids and the potential risks of vibration are also highlighted.

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I am having issues with solids building up in the 10” discharge ball valves on Mother Liquor Pumps that prevent operations from being able to close the valve. I have had a few discussions regarding ways to improve or eliminate this issue which have included insuring the valve is insulated/traced and replacing the valve with a ball valve with a ball stop. I am not very familiar with the ball stops, but from a little research I do not think it would be enough to help alleviate the solids build up in the valve since the solids pack and become concrete like. Another recommendation I was looking into was replacing the valve with a gate valve, but it would need to be actuated so operators could throttle the pump during startup.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this issue or possible solutions?
 
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The main issue is the packing solids that are concrete like. What are they exactly or similar examples if possible. Sugar? Cement? Wet saw dust?

A gate valve can get clogged up and if something is in the way it can have closing difficulties. Unless of knife valve construction. And they are somewhat slower to open/close than a ball valve.

Could you use vibration to clear/unpack some of the material from the existing valve? This should be done while the material is flowing.
Can you close the valve while the material is flowing? Pump safety aside.

If going for a different type. What pressure does it need to withstand?
 
Maybe fit a jacket to the valve, then heat the ball valve with steam when it needs to be closed. That will increase solubility of the precipitated solids.
 
The solids are very dense when packed and wet. Nearly like wet thick cement. Not sure if we can use vibration to clear the solids as the valve is attached to the discharge of a pump and induced vibration could be a concern. The pressure is aroun 90 psig and is designed at 150 psig. If the valve has not been cycled in some time you can not close the valve unless maintenance hooks up come alongs to get it to close.
 
Fit two identical valves in parallel. Every set time period, close, then open, each valve in succession to clean the build-up on the surfaces. To turn the flow off, close both valves.
 

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