Basic Clarification on Laws of Logs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the laws of logarithms, specifically seeking clarification on the application of these laws in various algebraic expressions. Participants explore the implications of multiplying logarithmic expressions and the distribution of multiplication over addition in the context of logarithmic identities.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the expression \(4\log{xy}\) equals \(4\log{x} + 4\log{y}\) or \(4\log{x} + \log{y}\).
  • Another participant suggests testing values to clarify the application of logarithmic laws.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of using parentheses to clarify the application of logarithmic rules and distribution.
  • One participant asserts that \(4\log{xy} = 4(\log{x} + \log{y}) = 4\log{x} + 4\log{y}\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of logarithmic laws, with no consensus reached on the specific expressions discussed.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of logarithms and their application, which may not be fully resolved within the conversation.

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Hi, I know the basic laws of logs but just wanted some clarification on a few things; your help would be much appreciated :) (warning, these questions may seem stupid!)

I know that [itex]\log{xy} = \log{x} + \log{y}[/itex]
but does [itex]4\log{xy} = 4\log{x} + 4\log{y}[/itex] OR [itex]= 4\log{x} + \log{y}[/itex] ?

Again, I know that [itex]\log{xy} = \log{x} + \log{y}[/itex]
but does [itex]- \log{xy} = - ( \log{x} + \log{y})[/itex] OR [itex]= - \log{x} + \log{y}[/itex]

Again, I know these questions may seem stupid, my head tells me that it is the first case for both but I do not know for certain.

Thanks :)
 
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This won't be hard to figure out for yourself if you know how to approach it. Just test some values.

Let's say that

$$\log{x}=2, \log{y}=3$$
then
$$\log{xy}=\log{x}+\log{y}=2+3=5$$

So then it's clear that

$$4\log{xy}=4*5=20$$

but is this equal to $$4\log{x}+\log{y}$$ or $$4(\log{x}+\log{y})$$?
 
Of course :oops: . I was so caught up in trying to look at it algebraically that I did not even think to try and test it out with numbers!

My heads not in the game this morning, so much stuff to do and so little time!

Thanks :D
 
Your idea of putting parenthesis around the log is a good one. You can apply the rules inside the parenthesis and then use the law of distribution of multiplication over addition. That will help you in many situations, not just with logarithms.
 
What FactChecker said: 4 log(xy)= 4(log(x)+ log(y))= 4 log(x)+ 4 log(y).
 

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