Basic definition of Quadratic Fields

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of quadratic fields as presented in Dummit and Foote's textbook. Participants explore the uniqueness of representations within quadratic fields, the implications of the square-free condition on D, and the necessity of distinguishing between square and non-square values of D.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the definition of a quadratic field and the necessity of D being not a perfect square, questioning if this relates to the presence of both positive and negative roots.
  • Another participant explains that if D is a square of a rational number, then the field Q(√D) simplifies to Q, indicating a lack of uniqueness in such cases.
  • It is noted that if D is not square-free, the field Q(√D) does not provide a unique quadratic extension, as illustrated with the example of √12 and √3.
  • Participants discuss the implications of D being square-free for the uniqueness of elements in the field, with one participant arguing that the uniqueness of representation is contingent on D being square-free.
  • There is a debate over the clarity of Dummit and Foote's statement regarding the uniqueness of elements in the field, with some participants finding it misleading while others defend its accuracy.
  • One participant provides a proof by contradiction to show that if D is not a square, then Q(√D) must be larger than Q, reinforcing the uniqueness of representation in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity and implications of Dummit and Foote's definitions, with some finding the statements misleading while others argue they are accurate. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of the uniqueness condition and the necessity of the square-free condition.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between square and non-square values of D, as well as the implications of D being square-free for the uniqueness of representations in quadratic fields. There are unresolved nuances regarding the definitions and implications presented in the textbook.

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I am reading Dummit and Foote Chapter 7.

D&F use a quadratic field as an example of a ring. I am trying to get a good understanding of this ring.

D&F define a quadratic field as follows:

Let D be a rational number that is not a perfect square in and define

\mathbb{Q} ( \sqrt D ) = \{ \ a + b \sqrt D \ | \ a,b \in \mathbb{Q} \ \}

as a subset of \mathbb{C}

In this example D&F write ... "... It is easy to show that the assumption that D is not a square implies that every element of \mathbb{Q} ( \sqrt D ) may be written uniquely in the form a + b \sqrt D."

How do you show this? Further, I am not sure why this assumption is needed?

Is it because we have both positive and negative roots of a square number like 4, but then only consider the principal root + \sqrt 3 of 3? This seems slightly inconsistent!

Also how does the above fit with the idea that D must be not only not a perfect square but squarefree? Is the squarefree condition on D necessary? If so why?

Can someone please clarify this situation for me?

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it's really pretty simple. if D is a square of a rational number, then Q(√D) = Q.

if D isn't square-free, say D = p2m, for some prime p, and integer m, then we get the same extension of Q with Q(√m) as we do for Q(√D) (in other words, we want "the totally irrational part" of the square root, with any rational factors (hence squares) already factored out).

for example, 12 isn't square free, so adjoining √12 = 2√3, gives us the same field as adjoining √3:

a+b√12 <=> a + 2b√3
c+d√3 <=> c + (d/2)√12

on the other hand, if D IS square-free, we get a UNIQUE quadratic extension (different D's, different extensions).

you can visualize such a ring (which is actually a field, since 1/√D = √D/D, and one can use "the conjugate trick" to find an inverse for a + b√D, as long as not both a and b are 0) as a lattice of rational points in the plane, that is, as a vector space it's isomorphic to Q x Q.
 
Thanks!

Thinking through this now!
 
Thanks again

I can see that if D is not a squarefree number then the field specified by \mathbb{Q} ( \sqrt D ) is not unique in the sense that \mathbb{Q} ( \sqrt 12 ) is the same field as\mathbb{Q} ( \sqrt 3 ).

But D&F's statement seemingly refers to consequences within the field if D is not squarefree.

They write:

"It is easy to show that the assumption that D is not a square implies that every element of \mathbb{Q} ( \sqrt D ) may be written uniquely in the form a + b \sqrt D."

So they are saying that there is a lack of uniqueness within the field.

Do you agree? Can you clarify?

Another thing that bothers me in D&F's statement is that they do not use the term "squarefree" but go for a lesser condition that D is not a square. Can you clarify this also?
 
if D is not a square, then Q(√D) is bigger than D. argue by contradiction:

suppose Q(√D) = Q. then √D is in Q, hence we have some rational number m (= √D) with m2 = D, so D is a square.

the uniqueness of the extension is what D being square-free entails. even if D is NOT square-free, there is still only one way to write an element of Q(√D):

suppose a+b√D = c+d√D, where √D is not in Q.

then a-c = (d-b)√D.

case 1) d≠ b:

then (a-c)/(d-b) = √D, and thus √D is in Q, contradiction.

case 2) d = b:

then a-c = 0, so that a = c, which shows uniqueness.
 
Thanks.

OK so the sqarefree part is only to get a unique description of the field

Yes, follow you arguments regarding Q \sqrt D being bigger that Q.

I now regard D&F's statement - that got me going on this - as rather misleading!
 
I fail to see what is misleading.

If D is not a square then \sqrt D is irrational. So if a+b\sqrt D = a&#039;+b&#039; \sqrt D with a,b,a&#039;,b&#039; \in \mathbb Q, then from a-a&#039; = (b&#039;-b) \sqrt D one easily sees that b'=b and hence a'=a (since otherwise \sqrt D = (a-a&#039;)/(b&#039;-b) would be rational). It follows that an element x of \mathbb Q(\sqrt D) has a unique expression of the form x=a+b\sqrt D where a,b \in \mathbb Q, in the sense that a and b are uniquely determined by x.

If D is a square, say D=E^2 with E rational, then it's easy to see that this fails. For example, we have a+b\sqrt D = (a-|E|)+(b+1)\sqrt D for any a,b \in \mathbb Q.
 
Thanks for that help and guidance

Your last two sentences clarified the situation for me!
 

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