Basic Mole Concept Questions, Grade 11 Chem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mole concept in chemistry, specifically focusing on the reaction between nitrogen and chlorine gases. Participants explore the stoichiometry of the reaction, the naming of compounds formed, and the relationship between moles and grams in the context of atomic mass units.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for every molecule of nitrogen, there would be three molecules of chlorine in the reaction, assuming no leftovers.
  • Another participant proposes that the correct formula for the compound formed is trinitrogen monochloride, based on oxidation states.
  • There is a discussion about the mole concept, where one mole is defined as 6.02 x 10^23 particles, and how this relates to the weight of gallium and atomic mass units.
  • One participant questions whether the atomic mass unit was based on hydrogen or carbon-12, leading to further clarification about the historical context of atomic mass measurements.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about oxidation states and plans to consult their teacher for clarification.
  • There is a suggestion that the formula for the compound could also be nitrogen trichloride (NCl3), indicating some confusion or debate over the correct naming convention.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the stoichiometry of the reaction, but there is disagreement regarding the correct naming of the compound formed and some uncertainty about the mole concept and its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding oxidation states and the historical basis for atomic mass units, indicating that some foundational concepts may not be fully covered in their current studies.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students studying chemistry, particularly those grappling with the mole concept, stoichiometry, and the relationship between atomic mass and grams.

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Hey guys, I'm back, finished my term in physics with a 96% final grade, thanks to all you guys.

So i thought id try you guys before i went to find a chemistry help forum.

I get the Mole Concept, kinda, here's an example question (i got an answer, not sure if its right, we don't get a "back of the book" for chemistry. But its a great question to base my issues upon.

If 1.0L of nitrogen gas reacts with 3.0 L of chlorine gas when both gases are at the same room temperature and pressure, how many chlorine molecules are present for every molecule of nitrogen in the reaction? Suggest a formula for the compound formed and name the compound.

Alright, first of all, the mole concept illustrates that in a reaction, the amount of particles will always remain the same, or something close to that (ending spring break, trying to remember everything.) so i assumed their would me 3 molecules of chlorine, for every molecule of nitrogen, if it reacted with no leftovers, which I'm assuming.. would that be correct?

So that was my answer, suggest formula was: ClN_3 Chlorine trinitride?? is that correct? and does it matter, if it was the otherway around, trinitrogen monochloride?

Another question on the mole concept,. is how does it relate to grams? the atomic mass unit, for example 69.7u, refers to the unique mass in relation to hydrogen right? As it is 69.7 times heavier than H, (btw, I am using Gallium for this example) that would also mean its 69.7grams/1mol Ga, how does it even relate to grams, grams is such a large unit for an amount of substance for an element. Does anyone have any further reading on the mole concept that would be good for a gr 11 high school student.
 
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I would think the formula name is trinitrogen monochloride since the chlorine atom has the lower oxidation state.

As for the mole concept: 1 mole is equal to 6.02 x 10^23 particles (either atoms or molecules depending on what you're working with), which means that for Ga, the combined weight of 6.02 x 10^23 atoms is equal to 69.7 grams. So how much does a single Ga atom weigh? 1 / (6.02 x 10^23 / 69.7 g ) = 1.158 x 10^-22 g, or in other words, 69.7 atomic mass units. From this, you can calculate the weight of one atomic mass unit to be 1.66 x 10^-24 g.
 
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ahh that would make sense, so someone just measured how many particles of hydrogen is in one gram of hydrogen, and made the amount of particles, 1 mol, and based the rest of the periodic table off of that?

I'm not sure we've learned about oxidation states yet, ill refer that to my teacher, thanks Snazzy!
 
and i was right abuot the number of chlorine particles to nitrogen particles?
 
Actually, someone used carbon-12 in its unbound and ground state to measure how many atoms there were in exactly 12 grams of carbon and everything was relative to that.
 
wow that's really interesting, i greatly appreciate all the help.

EDIT: i thought someone measured the mass of hydrogen, because it was the lightest element, and declared that a value of 1.0, and measured the rest of the periodic tables elements atomic mass units in relation to how much heavier it was than hydrogen??
 
Senjai said:
If 1.0L of nitrogen gas reacts with 3.0 L of chlorine gas when both gases are at the same room temperature and pressure, how many chlorine molecules are present for every molecule of nitrogen in the reaction? Suggest a formula for the compound formed and name the compound.

so i assumed their would me 3 molecules of chlorine, for every molecule of nitrogen, if it reacted with no leftovers, which I'm assuming.. would that be correct?

Yes.

So that was my answer, suggest formula was: ClN_3

? Perhaps NCl3---nitrogen trichloride?
 

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