[Basic question] What are negative numbers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of negative numbers, exploring their meaning, physical significance, and interpretations in various contexts. Participants engage with both theoretical and practical implications of negative numbers, including their representation and applications in mathematics and physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that negative numbers are merely abstractions of subtraction without physical significance.
  • Others propose that negative numbers can have physical interpretations, such as owing items (e.g., chickens) or representing temperatures below freezing.
  • One participant suggests that all mathematics has physical significance, even complex concepts in physics, though they acknowledge that some aspects may not have clear physical representations.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that mathematics and physics are distinct, asserting that there is no single physical explanation for mathematical operations.
  • A participant provides a specific example of negative numbers in the context of temperature, explaining how negative Celsius values indicate temperatures below freezing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physical significance of negative numbers, with some asserting that they lack physical representation while others provide examples where they do. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the nature of mathematics and its relationship to physical reality, as well as the varying interpretations of negative numbers across different contexts.

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What are negative numbers? Have you even seen a negative number of chickens? i haven't. The idea is merely an abstraction of subtraction. An abstract idea doesn't have to have any physical significance at all, even if the idea was derived from physical things.
 
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marxLynx said:
What are negative numbers? Have you even seen a negative number of chickens?

Sure I have, if I owe a person 3 chickens, then I have -3 chickens. I'm happy with that physical significance.
 


And I am happy knowing that negative means down and positive means up. Or maybe the reverse if convenient :)
 


marxLynx said:
What are negative numbers? Have you even seen a negative number of chickens? i haven't. The idea is merely an abstraction of subtraction. An abstract idea doesn't have to have any physical significance at all, even if the idea was derived from physical things.
Not only for this as it was answered, I suspect all math has a physical significance.

After all, not only it has physical significance in basics, but the most complex concepts of physics such as quantum mechanics can only be 'thought' through math. For example most physicists admit that they don't understand the uncertainty principle, they just "read it" in formulas. [edit: Meaning not that it's 'abstract' in itself but that they are so convinced everything up to that point had a physical meaning that even something that goes further and they can't see the physical part, it should have a physical representation.]
 
As I said in your other thread, all mathematics has any different physical applications. Mathematics is NOT physics and there does not exist a single "physical explanation" for any mathematical operation.
 
They are numbers counted or measured in the opposite direction. Usually a reference number can be matched to a reference point on a number line. A simple physical interpretation works for temperature. One of the temperature scales, Celsius, uses the freezing/melting point of water as zero degrees. We can often find or measure a temperature of some positive amount, and if we do, this is usually of a temperature at which water is not a solid (not frozen). We naturally assume these are positive values, to the right of zero on the number line. A NEGATIVE Celsius temperature value is one at which water is typically in the form of ice, and the number is to the left of zero on the number line, and the number is given a negative sign next to it.
Example: -5 degrees Celsius is colder than the freezing point o f water and this water would be ice. 4 degrees Celsius is cold, but water at this temperature will be liquid.
 

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