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The discussion revolves around a specific problem from Tenenbaum & Pollard's "Ordinary Differential Equations," focusing on finding a 1-parameter family of solutions for a given differential equation. Participants explore methods of solving the equation and share their experiences with similar problems, highlighting challenges in algebraic manipulation and classification of differential equations.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the problem and mentions a specific solution that seems elusive, indicating a struggle with algebraic manipulation.
  • Another participant suggests viewing the equation as a Bernoulli differential equation, implying a potential method for solving it.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of classifying differential equations and applying known techniques, suggesting that this approach is common in undergraduate courses.
  • One reply attempts to rewrite the original equation to facilitate integration, proposing a method to find the solution.
  • Another participant reiterates the educational context, stating that many differential equations require understanding specific classifications rather than general formulas.
  • A later reply critiques the previous advice as unhelpful, indicating a lack of satisfaction with the responses provided.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with some suggesting different methods and others expressing frustration with the advice given.

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Participants mention challenges with algebraic manipulation and the classification of differential equations, indicating that the problem may involve assumptions or techniques not fully explored in the discussion.

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I'm self-teaching through Tenenbaum & Pollard's "Ordinary Differential Equations", and for some reason I'm completely stuck on one of the problems, Ch.2, lesson 6, problem #6:

Find a 1-parameter family of solutions for [...] the differential equation:

6) yx2dy-y3dx = 2x2dy.

I didn't have trouble with any of the previous problems, but the algebra is evading me here. The proffered solution is:

(cx + 1)y2 = (y-1)x, x =/ 0, y =/ 0; y = 0.

but I can't find any families that don't involve fractions, let alone this one. The subsequent problems also seem to have an algebra trick that I'm missing, so once I understand this one I'll be fine I think.
 
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If you see ##x## as the function with variable ##y##, then it's a Bernouilli differential equation.
 
Hey obstinatus.

A lot of differential equations (particularly in undergraduate college/university courses) involve classification using known methods.

When you start doing this subject it's usually the case where you have to learn the families of differential equations and then apply the known techniques to get a solution.

A lot of introductory mathematics courses are like this and it will help you (I think) in your education if you realize this and utilize it.
 
Given equation,
$$y\ x^2 \cdot dy-y^3 \cdot dx=2\ x^2\ dy$$
We can rewrite the given equation as
$$\Big(y\ x^2-2\ x^2\Big)dy=y^3\ dx$$
$$\Rightarrow \frac{y-2}{y^3} \cdot dy=\frac{dx}{x^2}$$
Now you can integrate both sides and find the solution.
 
chiro said:
Hey obstinatus.

A lot of differential equations (particularly in undergraduate college/university courses) involve classification using known methods.

When you start doing this subject it's usually the case where you have to learn the families of differential equations and then apply the known techniques to get a solution.

A lot of introductory mathematics courses are like this and it will help you (I think) in your education if you realize this and utilize it.

This was not helpful.
 
It's just how it is in a lot of mathematics education.

You don't have the general formulas you might otherwise think exists in mathematics and the reality is that a lot of classification exists to solve particular kinds of problems and not just all the general ones you probably think are easily solved.

It's important to know the realities of how things work and be aware of the effects they have.
 
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