BDT scores: Signal vs Background

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of Boosted Decision Trees (BDTs) in distinguishing between signal (S) and background (B) outcomes in particle physics. Participants clarify that while the outcome is binary, BDT scores can provide a ranking system that indicates the likelihood of an event being classified as signal. Specifically, a BDT score of 0.89 does not necessarily indicate a less likely signal than a score of 0.95; rather, it reflects different levels of background rejection and signal efficiency. Additionally, the use of multiple categories based on BDT scores can enhance sensitivity in measurements, as demonstrated by experiments like LHCb and ATLAS.

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I have one question:
Many times, in order to test whether an outcome should be considered as "Signal" (S) or "Background" (B), we are using BDTs which we have trained on known outcomes...
I was wondering though, the outcome of being S/B is binary : either it's signal or it's not... the only way I can interpret the BDT variable after that is as "how likely it is to be signal or not", since a particular cut on the BDT corresponds to some particular background rejection and signal efficiency (ROC curves).
Is my interpretation correct? Would a "signal" object with a BDTscore=0.89 be a less likely signal than one with BDTscore=0.95 ? If not, then is there a way to compare the two events? I.e. the higher I place a cut on BDT the stronger/tighter signal events I'm selecting?
 
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ChrisVer said:
the outcome of being S/B is binary
It doesn't have to be. You can make multiple categories with increasing S/B ratio (increasing BDT score) and study them separately. LHCb does this for ##B_s \to \mu \mu## measurements, ATLAS and CMS do this for ##H \to \gamma \gamma## measurements for example. It improves your sensitivity compared to a single cut.
 
mfb said:
It doesn't have to be. You can make multiple categories with increasing S/B ratio (increasing BDT score) and study them separately. LHCb does this for ##B_s \to \mu \mu## measurements, ATLAS and CMS do this for ##H \to \gamma \gamma## measurements for example. It improves your sensitivity compared to a single cut.
Sorry I didn't mean the ratio between Signal and Background, but being Signal or being Background (shortly I wrote S/B for S or B)
 
I know, but what the BDT gives you is a ranking in terms of S/B ratio.
 

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