Beale Conjecture Reduced to Practicality?

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The discussion centers around the Beale Conjecture, which posits that if the equation Ax + By = Cz holds for positive integers A, B, C, and integers x, y, z all greater than 2, then A, B, and C must share a common prime factor. Participants explore the conjecture's implications, practical applications, and the challenges in explaining it to those without a mathematical background.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek a simplified explanation of the Beale Conjecture for non-mathematicians, questioning its practical applications and benefits if proven.
  • One participant suggests that the conjecture allows for a factorization involving a common prime factor, proposing a relationship between the terms in the equation.
  • Another participant challenges the formulation of the conjecture, providing a counterexample with specific values for A, B, and C, and suggesting that the conjecture should involve exponentiation.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of assuming that A, B, and C do not share a common prime factor, proposing a method to derive a contradiction from this assumption.
  • There is speculation about the relationship between Beale's conjecture and Fermat's Last Theorem, with one participant expressing doubt that proving Beale's conjecture would be simpler than the latter.
  • Another participant introduces a discussion about the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem and its dependence on complex axioms in set theory, raising questions about the applicability of such proofs in simpler systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulation of the Beale Conjecture and its implications. There is no consensus on the conjecture's correctness or the validity of the proposed counterexamples and methods of proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the conjecture may have been misstated, indicating a need for clarity in its expression. There are also references to computational checks for counterexamples, which are limited to certain ranges of values.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring number theory, conjectures in mathematics, or the relationships between different mathematical theorems.

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What is the easiest way to explain the Beale Conjecture to someone who isn't math literate?

BEAL'S CONJECTURE: If Ax + By = Cz, where A, B, C, x, y and z are positive integers and x, y and z are all greater than 2, then A, B and C must have a common prime factor.

What exactly is Beale trying to extract or squeeze into his equation and what is it's practical application or outcome.If it could be proved,what is it's benefit to math or to anything?
 
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Hey Skip Hawley and welcome to the forums.

Basically in a nut-shell it means that you can simplify the equation and take a prime factor out of both sides. In other words:

Ax + By = Cz is equivalent to:

p(Dx + Ey) = p(Fz) for some integers D, E, and F where p is a prime number.

In other words, if this theorem is true you will be able to do this factorization.
 
The conjecture as you state it doesn't look right to me.

Take x=y=z=3, so you have: A+B=C, take for example A=1 and B=2, and C=3, so they don't have common prime factor, unless you include 1 as a prime number.

Edit: it should be raised to the power...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beal's_conjecture
 
If we assume that they don't have a common prime factor, which means that gcd(A,B,C)=1, then there exist integers w,v,u s.t: Aw+Bv+Cu=1, now I can plug this back to the equation, and check for some contradiction.

Has someone tried this already?
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
If we assume that they don't have a common prime factor, which means that gcd(A,B,C)=1, then there exist integers w,v,u s.t: Aw+Bv+Cu=1, now I can plug this back to the equation, and check for some contradiction.

Has someone tried this already?

I'm not sure adding more variables into the mix is going to make things easier!

Furthermore, Beal's conjecture can be used to prove Fermat's Last Theorem by contradiction. I would be quite surprised if a proof of Beal's conjecture turned out to be easier than the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. =)

(As for counter-examples, it has been checked computationally that it holds for all variables up to 1000, so if a counter-example exists at least one of the numbers must be greater than 1000.)
 
Well, I recently heard that the proof of Wiles depends on non trivial axioms in set theory which involves large cardinals. And large cardinal are not that intuitive as peano axioms system. I mean the proof is proved in a stronger system, which means that there may be some obstacles to use the same proof in a system such as peano system, but I am just speculating here.
 
Skip Hawley said:
What is the easiest way to explain the Beale Conjecture to someone who isn't math literate?

BEAL'S CONJECTURE: If Ax + By = Cz, where A, B, C, x, y and z are positive integers and x, y and z are all greater than 2, then A, B and C must have a common prime factor.

What exactly is Beale trying to extract or squeeze into his equation and what is it's practical application or outcome.If it could be proved,what is it's benefit to math or to anything?
Mathematical Physicist has already pointed out that you have misstated the conjecture, but in hopes of avoiding further confusion, the equation should be [tex]A^x + B^y = C^z[/tex].
 

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