Beam Analysis of C-section (C-channel)

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of a simply supported C-section steel beam subjected to a moving point load. Participants explore the relationships between the beam's dimensions, section modulus, bending stress, and allowable stress, while considering factors such as safety and support conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the problem of determining the dimensions of a C-section beam under a 15 Ton moving point load, noting the relationship between the beam's dimensions (W, H, T) and the tensile yield strength of the steel.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on how the beam is supported, suggesting that the location of the maximum bending moment is crucial for analysis.
  • A participant proposes calculating the section modulus in terms of W to find W using allowable and bending stress calculations.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the beam being simply supported by hinge pins at both ends, with maximum bending occurring at the midpoint of the beam.
  • Another participant suggests developing an expression for bending stress using the section modulus and applying the factor of safety, emphasizing that W should be the only unknown variable.
  • One participant raises a concern about the potential for torsion in the C-section beam, indicating that shear stresses from torsion may affect the factor of safety and should be considered in the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate the section modulus and bending stress, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of torsion and shear stresses on the overall analysis. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to incorporate these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the support conditions and the relationship between bending moment, section modulus, and allowable stress. There is also mention of potential limitations in the initial approach that may not account for torsional effects.

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Hi there,

I have a problem regarding a simply supported C-section steel beam that I can't seem to get my head around.

The beam is 6m long and supports a 15 Ton moving point load, the tensile yield strength of the steel is known and the structure must have a factor of safety of 3. The dimensions of the beam are W, H and T where H=2W and T=W/20. I have to use this information to find the dimensions of the C-section but after several attempts I can reach no conclusion. I think it must be something to do with the section modulus? But I can't seem to find any relationship between all the given data that can provide an answer for 'W'.

Any advice or information would be much appreciated, thanks.
 
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How is the beam supported? Depending on that, you will need to figure out where the maximum bending moment will occur.
 
Once you find the Max moment, can you calculate the section modulus in terms of W? Then solve for W using the allowable stress and bending stress calculation.
 
The beam is simply supported by a hinge pin at either end of the 6m length. The load is also variable point so max bending will occur at 3m. What is the equation that relates allowable stress, bending stress and 'w'? I am not sure I have used any equations in the past that relate all 3. Thanks for the response!
 
If you find the section modulus of the beam using W, H, and T, you can develop an expression for the bending stress, to which you can apply the factor of safety. You have the proportions of H and T in terms of W, so W should be the only unknown.
 
scottm212 said:
The beam is simply supported by a hinge pin at either end of the 6m length.

Then your beam is fixed at both ends as the supports are resisting both horizontal and vertical loads.

scottm212 said:
The load is also variable point so max bending will occur at 3m. What is the equation that relates allowable stress, bending stress and 'w'? I am not sure I have used any equations in the past that relate all 3. Thanks for the response!

Depending on how the beam is supported, (I may be wrong in calling it a fixed at both ends kind of beam), you will need to look up the bending moment formulas at the center and at the ends. The deflection can be maximum at the center but the bending moment may not be.

Your allowable stress will stress will depend on your yield stress and your safety factor. How does bending stress relate to the bending moment (M) and the section modulus (Z)?
 
Your responders so far have accepted your naiive approach considering bending alone has been considered. But, as this is a c-section there is likely to be torsion as well. The shear stresses due to shear and torsion do not add directly to the bending stresses, but would eat into the factor of safety. This issue might be beyond the scope of your question, but is a real issue in practice.
 

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