Undergrad Bell violations + perfect correlations via conservative Brownian motion

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A recent paper explores Bell violations and perfect correlations through a conservative Brownian motion framework, marking a novel approach to stochastic mechanics in quantum scenarios. The model's predictions align with orthodox quantum mechanics, but critiques highlight that Markovian stochastic mechanics exhibit non-locality and flawed multi-time correlations. Non-Markovian diffusion is suggested as a solution to these issues, potentially addressing realism violations seen in traditional models. The discussion emphasizes the necessity of incorporating experimental results, such as delayed-choice entanglement swapping and the GHZ theorem, to validate any interpretation of quantum mechanics. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of reconciling theoretical models with empirical evidence in the quest to understand quantum phenomena.
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Fra said:
A Perimeter talk https://pirsa.org/11100113
"Does Time Emerge from Timeless Laws, or do Laws of Nature Emerge in Time?"


Thanks for the link! I'll definitely have to take a look and digest.
 
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I just wanted to update my thoughts on the question by Fredrik about how the "Barandes transition matrices (or lack of) emerge".

It seems to me that if the Barandes non-Markovianity condition is related to correct multi-time correlations due to its interferences, then the amelioration of incorrect Nelsonian/Bohmian multi-time correlations by measurement imply that the non-commutativity of position and momentum are in some way the source of the non-Markovianity, since clearly measurement related disturbance would be what is ameliorating the faulty correlations when explicitly accounting for measurement.

I then saw that the effect of the non-commuting Non-Selective Measurements on temporal behavior are described in the following paper:

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0306029

"So the NSM of the position ˆx at time t = 0 not only has changed immediately the probability distribution of the momenta p, as we have analyzed in b1), but it has changed also the probability distribution of x at any time t > 0. Now the reader may wonder why the probability distributions ρP (x|t) and ρM (x|t) were the same at t = 0, see (3.16)-(3.17), but they are different at any time t > 0. The explanation is that during the evolution, which is given by ˙x = p and couples x with p, the distributions in x are influenced by the initial distributions in p which, as shown in (3.18) and (3.19), are different in the two cases in which we perform, case b), or not perform, case a), the NSM of ˆx at t = 0. So the NSM of ˆx influences immediately the distribution of probability of the conjugate variable p. Next, since the momenta p are coupled to x via their equations of motion, the changes in the distribution of p are inherited by the distribution of the positions at any instant of time t > 0."

So the authors observe how the non-commutativity means the measurement is disturbing the behavior at other instances of time. It seems that this kind of disturbance would be what is ameliorating the faulty Nelsonian/Bohmian multi-time correlations. Maybe then the Barandes non-Markovianity and its interferences are linked to the non-commutativity which also exists in the Barandes theory like in QM - measurements at one time disturb the trajectory / transition statistics for other times, violating (total) joint probability consistency conditions for its trajectory's transition matrices.
 

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